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As Nuclear War Looms: Does Russia Have a Right to its Own Monroe Doctrine?
American Thinker ^ | Oct. 6, 2022 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/06/2022 8:19:10 AM PDT by libstripper

With news that Israeli intelligence has detected an “irregular presence” of nuclear-capable Russian bombers near Finland and retired general David Petraeus casually saying NATO would likely sink Vladimir Putin’s Black Sea fleet if Russia used a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, it’s perhaps time for a few questions:

First, can we discuss a situation that could very well result in thermonuclear war — and the end of life as we know it — intelligently and rationally? Or must all questions about our Dr. Strangelove policy be met with childish name-calling (e.g., “stooge of Putin!”) designed to silence debate?

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To: libstripper

The nitwits in the Biden admin got in this situation by ignoring Ukraine in 2021 while partnering with Putin to nuke up Iran. Putin took that as a green light and here we are. Surrendering now to Russian nuclear blackmail guarantees massive nuclear proliferation around the world and eventual nuclear war. Is that what you really want?


21 posted on 10/06/2022 8:54:41 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: NicoDon

Exactly.


22 posted on 10/06/2022 8:55:38 AM PDT by madison10 (There is no King, but Jesus.)
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To: FLT-bird

What’s “awful” is Americans sitting in their armchairs and thinking Ukrainians and Belarusians deserve to be slaves of fascist Russia.


23 posted on 10/06/2022 8:56:44 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

The whole invasion never would have happened in the first place without the color revolutions and the constant meddling by the Deep State.


24 posted on 10/06/2022 9:00:07 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: dfwgator

Don’t forget Gulf War 1 and Gulf War II - Bush 1 and Bush 2 respectively. Also Republicans. This doesn’t align to parties.


25 posted on 10/06/2022 9:01:18 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

I still maintain we’d still have gone to war in Iraq even if Gore won, all you have to do is look at what the Rats were saying about Saddam when Clinton was still in office.

Like Kerry, “they were for the war before they were against it.”


26 posted on 10/06/2022 9:02:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: libstripper

https://www.whitehousedossier.com/2015/04/11/obama-puts-monroe-doctrine/

Obama Puts an End to the Monroe Doctrine
By Keith Koffler
April 11, 2015
@ 11:11 am


27 posted on 10/06/2022 9:03:10 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: JonPreston

“The arrogance of this question is off the charts.”

How so exactly?

L


28 posted on 10/06/2022 9:04:54 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: libstripper

A “Monroe Doctrine” isn’t something you have a “right” to, it’s something that informs your foreign policy. Other countries aren’t obliged to honor it, though they have to take it into account. Latin American countries, for example, aren’t obliged to give up their sovereignty because we consider them our special project. As a reality, they sometimes use it to their advantage, and sometimes push against it.

Other countries, like China for example, are not obliged to respect it when striking their deals with Panama, for instance. But again, they have to take it into account. It’s not enough just to buy Panamanian politicians, you need to cover yourself by buying a few US politicians while you’re at it.


29 posted on 10/06/2022 9:07:25 AM PDT by marron
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To: libstripper

IMHO, with Vlad being KGB deep-down he expected Ukraine to fold fast as the first state to add back in the neo-soviet-union, based on their Crimea response. He really believed that they would want to come back into the new and improved empire. With all of the corruption nurtured by the West (Barry, Hildebeast, turnip-head, Soros, etc.) his calculation was not without substance. Then Balkans, Baltics, Central Asia, etc. would follow.

My bigger question is, being in charge of a police state with consistent, pervasive communist indoctrination, does he still dream of reimplementing Marxist, Leninist economics and social control, striving to “get it right” this time.

If he were more open about that he would have many, maybe a groundswell of supporters in the west and western deep staters.


30 posted on 10/06/2022 9:18:05 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: marron

Precisely. That doctrine exists insofar as its declarer can enforce it and not one shred further. “Right” has nothing to do with it.


31 posted on 10/06/2022 9:24:01 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: libstripper

He’ll, the original Monroe doctrine even suffices. Everyone forgets that it also has us stay out of affairs. Monroe would have been horrified at the idea of America installing a puppet government in Kiev.
The original Monroe doctrine should have protected Russia here!


32 posted on 10/06/2022 9:42:19 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: FLT-bird
Its not about whether foreigners think any country “has a right” to be that way. Just understand that all the big boys always are that way. Anybody who thinks is going to be different or that one of them is going to just lay lie down and take it when others intrude into their backyard is a fool and is inviting a major war.

Might makes right. Russia has as much "right" to demarcate its "sphere of influence" as the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg has.

And the West has just as much "right" to laugh in Putin's face when he declares parts of Eastern Europe to be in his "sphere of influence.

We just have to have the will to back it up.

What, after all, is to prevent Putin from then extending the boundaries of his "sphere of influence" all the way to the Atlantic, hmm?

Regards,

33 posted on 10/06/2022 9:42:52 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DesertRhino

We certainly didn’t give a fig about what the Czar was doing, even when he was suppressing the Poles when they tried to rise up for their independence.


34 posted on 10/06/2022 9:43:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FLT-bird
What was so awful about Ukraine and Belarus being buffer states between NATO and Russia that we just HAD to upset the apple cart?

Did Putin's Russia ask Ukraine whether it would like being a "buffer state."

Nope, didn't think so.

Regards,

35 posted on 10/06/2022 9:45:05 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Kazan

“That we’re even talking about a potential nuclear war is proof of how irresponsible the Biden regime, neocons and globalists have become.”

Putin was the one who started the irresponsible nuclear threats which were first reported on February 27th of this year. Here are lots of references to confirm this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+ukraine+nuclear+war&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2022%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F1%2F2022&tbm=


36 posted on 10/06/2022 9:47:49 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Kazan

Absolutely. Well put. What would we do if Mexico let china park Nuclear weapons on our borders? It would be a dishonest double standard to claim we would do anything different than Putin.


37 posted on 10/06/2022 9:48:33 AM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Signalman

Indeed the one that got away was Castro. Kennedy

A guy who tried to stop a ship with a PT boat on a full moon light night and gets called a hero by the media as he help save the ones he sank.


38 posted on 10/06/2022 10:10:37 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: PGR88

“And yet they control large parts of the global trade in food, fertilizer, oil, and all metals”

Thanks for proving my point about how delusional Russians are about their place in the world.

Russia account for 1.9% of world trade last year, sure they provide a large share of a short list of commodities, but that doesn’t make a great power.

Is Chile a great power because they dominate world copper production? Is Taiwan because they make all our chips?


39 posted on 10/06/2022 10:13:30 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: ConservativeInPA

lol


40 posted on 10/06/2022 10:15:22 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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