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Russia's forces are approaching mutiny - and when that happens, Vladimir Putin goes the way of the Tsars
Dailymail.com ^ | 3 October 2022 | DOMINIC LAWSON

Posted on 10/03/2022 7:32:55 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

Few nations have as deep a sense of their own history as the Russians. On the basis of this tendentious tract about historic 'unity' of Russians and Ukrainians that President Putin justified his invasion of an independent neighboring state.

But another word, also with great resonance in Russian history, now hangs over the Kremlin's flailing military campaign. And that word is: MUTINY.

Remarkably, it was raised on Moscow's main TV channel by the woman described as Putin's propagandist-in-chief, Margarita Simonyan, on the state of the 'special military operation' to a Russian audience.

She was raging about the incompetence which Putin's 'partial mobilisation' was carried out, and the gross inadequacy of the provisions being supplied to the hundreds of thousands being called up to fight: 'Students, people with serious illnesses, single mothers, people as old as 62 . . . and being handed rotten things, no helmets or body armor.'

CRITICISM

She warned the heads of the armed forces: 'Comrade Commanders: don't anger the people!'

And now came the reference to historic precedent. Simonyan told the 'commanders' to remember the mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin during the Russo-Japanese war of 1905, provoked by the fact all the meat available to the crew had been maggot-infested.

'Let me remind you that in 1905, small things like that led to the first mutiny of an entire military unit in the history of our country. Is that what you want?'

The Potemkin mutiny was put down, but privations and humiliations linked to that conflict led to uprisings in Russia — known as the 1905 Revolution. Lenin and the Bolsheviks saw the Potemkin mutiny as inspiration for their own seizure of power in 1917.

She exempted Putin from all criticism praising her boss for taking 'the very heavy load of responsibility solely upon himself'.

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1- “Putin rocked as deadly partisan attacks kill top officials & wipe out train load of tanks”
16:05, Mon, Oct 3, 2022

Vladimir Putin was left reeling after Ukrainian partisans killed several officials and appeared to blow up a trainload of Russian tanks in a series of deadly strikes. The Russians have been hampered by persistent attacks in their rear by Ukrainian resistance fighters. Numerous Russian officials have found themselves the target of carefully planned assassinations.

2- “Ukrainian strikes Russian warehouse in ‘huge’ explosion as Putin’s troops flee Donetsk”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1677186/ukraine-russia-war-warehouse-donetsk-strike-military-annexation-putin-vn


41 posted on 10/03/2022 8:37:34 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion, )
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To: SmokingJoe

I’m behind. Russia hasn’t lost the war yet and been annexed by Crimea? Zelinksky is not in Biden’s Cabinet yet?


42 posted on 10/03/2022 8:39:57 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Come back, President Trump.)
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To: Gen.Blather
There was a point during (I think) the 1905 Russian revolution (yes, that early) when a mob as storming the Tzar’s palace. Allegedly, a private in the line yelled at the Tzar, “Your majesty, you must order us to fire or abdicate!” The Tzar broke out of his shock and ordered, “Fire!” The revolution came to an end. But as it turns out political movements are like glaciers, slow, but inevitable. (Unless global warming is really a thing and melts them all.)...(Oh.../S)

The Russian public has been ignoring their government’s actions until those actions started to affect them. Now the war and the government’s bad handling of it isn’t something distant, it is rolling the street. The glacier has noticed.

In The Sun Also Rises, Hemingway explained it like this:

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.”

43 posted on 10/03/2022 8:41:35 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I would love to wake up one day to pictures of Putin hanging from a bridge in Russia :)


44 posted on 10/03/2022 8:44:10 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: The Iceman Cometh
My logic tree on this is:

I would just add one more:

4.) Supporting Russia is always wrong.
45 posted on 10/03/2022 8:45:13 AM PDT by TexasGunLover
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To: MichaelRDanger

“Better to spend billions helping the Ukrainians (which is sending a loud and clear message to the Chinese) than to spend trillions fighting China..”
So true.
And has the advantages of keeping our word in the Budapest agreement, and stopping Russia before it triggers a war with NATO directly by invading the Baltic countries.


46 posted on 10/03/2022 8:45:33 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Herodes

According to your side, Ukraine was on the verge of collapse since February…yet it persists.


47 posted on 10/03/2022 8:46:26 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: rrrod

“Also leave Putin’s family alone.”

Like his predecessors left the Czar’s family alone?

It may be the crime that is modern Russia is coming full circle.


48 posted on 10/03/2022 8:48:50 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
—”MUTINY” Such an ugly term.

I think insurrection is much better.

49 posted on 10/03/2022 8:52:13 AM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
I zink I zee a pattern

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Jacob_Schiff

National loans

During the Russo-Japanese War, in 1904 and 1905, in perhaps his most famous financial action, Schiff, again through Kuhn, Loeb & Co., extended a critical series of loans to the Empire of Japan, in the amount of $200 million.[5]

He was willing to extend this loan due, in part, to his belief that gold is not as important as national effort and desire, in helping win a war, and due to the apparent underdog status of Japan at the time; no European nation had yet been defeated by a non-European nation in a modern, full-scale war.

It is quite likely Schiff also saw this loan as a means of avenging, on behalf of the Jewish people, the anti-Semitic actions of the Tsarist regime, specifically the then-recent pogroms in Kishinev.

Must be genetic

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2020/01/so-we-dont-have-to-fight-russia-over-here-schiff-delivers-powerful-statement-to-senators-in-trump-impeachment-trial/

50 posted on 10/03/2022 8:58:04 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman (The Gates of hell shall not prevail against you)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’ll repeat the question, how is this false? The article was quoting statements that Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of RT and Rossiya Segodny, made on Russian TV. Are you denying that she actually made these statements? Please don’t hide behind the excuse that this came from the Daily Mail. She either said or didn’t. Which is it?


51 posted on 10/03/2022 8:58:22 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: SmokingJoe
Note, however, that the author is Dominic Lawson - hardly a cab-rank hack writing anything for a cheap buck (former editor of both the Sunday Telegraph and the Spectator)
52 posted on 10/03/2022 9:01:05 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: SmokingJoe
And just how many billions is Dementia Joe spending on protracting our wide open borders even as he wastes $70 Billion on Ukraine? ZERO. Ukraine will impress China huh? Say, why did Dementia Joe flee from Afghanistan in disgrace with his tail between his legs? Afghanistan is much closer to China than Ukraine. Most Asian countries have refused to impose any sanctions on Russia. I doubt if China is losing any sleep over Ukraine.

Apples and Oranges... China is seeing how effective their Russian based arms are over American arms. China is seeing economic sanctions and the consequence of similar sanctions would severely effect their own weakened economy.

We all know Joe is not in control of the government and somebody else is pulling the strings. The border is a domestic issue and a completely different matter. Failure at the border and in Afghanistan does not mean we should fail in stopping Russian and Chinese aggression. China is Russia's ally and defeat in Ukraine is not something China will ignore.

53 posted on 10/03/2022 9:09:02 AM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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To: Salohcin
The article CLAIMS to be quoting someone in Russia. And the article is from a well known Ukrainian propaganda source, The Daily Mail, which only a few months ago, constantly claimed Putin was dying from some disease or the other and has told countless lies about Russia since the war started.
Why would you believe any story from such a source?
How do you know the woman actually said anything of the sort?
54 posted on 10/03/2022 9:10:58 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: Justa

Possibly. But Putin’s family shouldn’t be tortured and killed. After Putin Russians will have to decide on their future.


55 posted on 10/03/2022 9:15:50 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: MichaelRDanger
Apples and Oranges...

Nope.
Dementia Joe is spending $70 Billion of our money on Ukraine while refusing to protect our borders from massive, unprecedented illegal immigration and huge inflows of Fentanyl which is currently killing more American youth than anything else.

China is seeing how effective their Russian based arms are over American arms. China is seeing economic sanctions and the consequence of similar sanctions would severely effect their own weakened economy.

Actually, Dementia Joe's sanctions have been great for China, who are buying Russian oil and natural gas at cheap prices, while western Europe suffers from super high energy and food prices and recession.

56 posted on 10/03/2022 9:19:40 AM PDT by SmokingJoe ( )
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To: laplata

—”If he goes, he’ll be replace by a real hard ass.”

The most likely case.

The SOP for Russian leaders is to select a replacement that will guarantee ZERO investigations into their dealings and a nice quiet dacha, provided they stay out of site.
And the new “leader” needs to have the juice to hold up the agreement.

IMO best case is for Putin to have a bad accident and survive requiring 24/7 assistance and survive for many years seeing the damage he has done to Mother Russia.
His health care staff in the best Soviet tradition will pretend to work as they receive a pretend paycheck...


57 posted on 10/03/2022 9:26:14 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: SmokingJoe

Sorry but our border is entirely different from our European foreign policy. If China tries to invade Taiwan and is hit with sanctions similar to Russian sanctions it will cripple their economy.

Our borders can be quickly fixed by enforcing the law which, granted, will require an administrative change. The threats posed by Russia and China are far more difficult to fix and with much, much greater negative consequences if we ignore them.

Have you even considered the cost of a war with China (probably not...)?


58 posted on 10/03/2022 9:31:22 AM PDT by MichaelRDanger
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To: SmokingJoe
Denialism is a strong habit to break, isn’t it? Well here’s a link to a Pravda story that reports on her comments using the same quotes. Perhaps you should rethink your knee jerk denials of anything reported in the Daily Mail and open your eyes to reality.
59 posted on 10/03/2022 9:36:47 AM PDT by Salohcin
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Good post.


60 posted on 10/03/2022 9:38:56 AM PDT by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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