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To: marcusmaximus

Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.


6 posted on 09/29/2022 10:12:39 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

I can’t agree with you more, although your opinion is likely to be flamed endlessly on FR by Democrat enablers.


15 posted on 09/29/2022 10:17:10 AM PDT by fwdude (Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians….” — Thomas Sowell)
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To: JonPreston

Russia invaded and began murdering.


17 posted on 09/29/2022 10:17:31 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: JonPreston

Preemptive war is still illegal under international law. Putin is a criminal.


20 posted on 09/29/2022 10:20:31 AM PDT by Marxmarvelous (Nothing to fear but fear itself.)
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To: JonPreston

No NATO allowed several nations to join the alliance do to Russia being historically an aggressive nation.


24 posted on 09/29/2022 10:25:35 AM PDT by Destroyer Sailor (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: JonPreston

Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.


I can certainly see where Russia might well feel threatened by NATO expansion. I don’t know that that fear justifies Russia’s invasion of neighboring nations.

And I can see why Russia’s neighbors might want to avail themselves of NATO protection against their Russian neighbor, given Russian propensity to invade smaller neighboring nations.


26 posted on 09/29/2022 10:28:05 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: JonPreston
Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.

That's exactly what Putin said. Putin loves you and would like for you to volunteer to go fight the Ukrainians. Enough with this NATO expansion B.S.
27 posted on 09/29/2022 10:28:48 AM PDT by adorno
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To: JonPreston
Nonsense. NATO expanded because the former Soviet socialist republics and satellite countries all feared a Russian resurgence and sought membership for protection.

I would say that Putin has just proven the wisdom of their joining NATO.

30 posted on 09/29/2022 10:30:47 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: marcusmaximus

Hey Marc.. you snagged one.


32 posted on 09/29/2022 10:33:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Slava Ukraini!)
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To: JonPreston
Puta and Luka taking on NATO together!


34 posted on 09/29/2022 10:34:51 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: JonPreston

Your ability to use a calculator is amazing!


39 posted on 09/29/2022 10:41:05 AM PDT by exinnj
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To: JonPreston

“Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.”

“You made me hit you!” Putin

Geez, you’re a loon.

L


43 posted on 09/29/2022 10:45:19 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: JonPreston
Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s its founding.

NATO has grown over the years. So what? Aren't military pacts and alliances allowed to expand, if suitable candidates voluntarily apply for admission?

By "since its founding," I assume you mean since NATO was officially founded on April 4, 1949 - after which, e.g., Turkey, Greece, Spain, etc. joined.

Are you saying that sovereign nations don't have the right to decide for themselves if they want to join? Are you saying that Russia was ever conceded a "veto right" for new membership?

You are clearly confused about NATO's history and the rights of sovereign nations to accede to or leave military alliances.

Regards,

44 posted on 09/29/2022 10:54:02 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: JonPreston

While I am too opposed to NATO expansion, on the other hand, does not a nation have to ally as they see fit.

Hitler didn’t care about the Sudetenland. That was a means to an end. What he opposed was Czechoslovakia being an ally of Britain and France, with the knife pointed directly into Germany’s heartland. So by that, should we have demanded that Czechoslovakia not be allowed to ally with Britain and France in exchange for her independence?


47 posted on 09/29/2022 10:59:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: JonPreston

Wow, NATO must have some magical powers if they can start a war between two countries, neither of which is a member of NATO.


50 posted on 09/29/2022 11:08:07 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: JonPreston

Thank you for espousing facts.


63 posted on 09/29/2022 11:47:52 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (Seriously, what ever happened to Campaign finance limits?)
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To: JonPreston

“Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.”

You ain’t wrong.
You poke someone with a stick long enough, they’re going to react. This is the reaction.

Admitting Poland to NATO in 1999 was bad enough in Russian eyes, but inviting Ukraine to join? Might as well have threatened to kick in the front AND back doors and storm in with guns blazing. I guarantee that’s how Putin saw it. NATO’s original 12 members is now 30 and more want to join.
If you saw all of your neighbors arming up and attending meetings to which you weren’t invited, what would you do?


72 posted on 09/29/2022 1:00:57 PM PDT by oldvirginian (When I was a kid I wanted to be older…this is not what I expected)
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To: JonPreston

Russia doesn’t dictate which requests we accept for an alliance.


78 posted on 09/29/2022 2:06:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: JonPreston
Please get it straight, NATO instigated this war by expanding nearly 300% since it’s founding.

I must have slept through the party. Now NATO invaded what areas, shelled/bombed what civilian areas and killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians? I missed all that.

85 posted on 09/29/2022 3:02:27 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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