Posted on 09/18/2022 10:19:14 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
After applying to more than 300 jobs in the last six months without a single bite, Will no longer bothers to read job descriptions or research companies.
It's just a waste of time at this point, said Will, whose real name is withheld but known to Insider.
He spends six to 10 hours a day on LinkedIn churning out applications, but says that he and his peers with similar credentials — master's degrees and MBAs from top schools — are having no luck getting interviews.
"I'm seeing all of these articles about how companies cannot recruit people fast enough and how there's all these job openings," said Will, who aims to land a consulting role. "But I'm also seeing my own personal experience and seeing other highly qualified candidates who can't get interviews or can't get jobs and I'm like, 'Something is wrong with the system.'"
It is a puzzle in this remarkably tight labor market. While many employers can't find enough workers, some qualified candidates are applying to open jobs and aren't hearing anything back.
That applicants are, on occasion, ghosted by employers is nothing new, of course. But lately questions have been raised about whether a company's job postings are reflective of actual open positions, or instead "ghost jobs" — listings that employers are no longer actively hiring or recruiting for.
According to a recent survey of roughly 1,000 hiring managers conducted by Clarify Capital, a boutique lending firm, 40% of managers have had a job posting open for over two to three months; one in five managers said they don't plan to fill their current open job positions until 2023; and half of managers said they keep job postings up because they're "always open to new people," even if they're not actively recruiting.
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NON-CITIZENS cannot legally hold a job in USA. NOT ELIGIBLE under Form I-9.
If he changed his name to Jill, he’d get multiple offers
i always had two different resumes tailored to two different fields
use a temp agency for experience
You can if you have a green card or a work visa.
Only if "Jill" is young and attractive. It gets difficult to find work after a certain age.
It probably depends on what you do for a living. You must have the skills and experience that employers want.
So then, the shotgun approach (sending applications out for everything) does not look good to hiring managers. I wonder how many job applicants are making that mistake.
Young STEM majors might have an easier time finding work.
Ghost postings are used to check the box that there has been a search for qualified candidates and someone to fill the job has already been selected. It is a protection against EEO action or to tick the box of internal postings when the decision has been made to promote from within.
Some jobs just go unfilled because HR is stalling for some reason.
A young friend thinks he has broken the resume screen algorithm by including verbatum, the job advert in micro font in the footer of the resume in no color. That resume goes to the top of the pile until others begin doing the same thing.
If you can somehow find a place where the manager is the hiring agent and you can get an interview by virtue of personal connections you may get a job.
A lot of outfits are short handed by their own inaction. Some people on the inside like it that way.
I can't say enough for the approach of actually travelling to the place of business and handing them your resume in person. People get hung up on the fact that they need to have an interview first. Not the case! Just get in the car and go there. If anything, you will get a good sense of the commute, the neighborhood and the company itself.
Just let the reception desk know that you are in the area and would like to drop off your resume. It's a good way to find out who the hiring manager is while you're there (in case it wasn't in the listing). Then you can go home and write a personal letter or email to that hiring manager, letting them know you have already dropped by. That will almost certainly leave a positive impression. And if it doesn't, or if the reception people are very cold to you, it's probably not a company you'd want to work for anyhow.
If you get really lucky, the hiring manager might be around and can see you immediately for an impromptu interview and maybe give you a tour of the facility, so you should be dressed professionally.
Dropping-by with a resume might work. The reason most people don’t want to try it is that, nowadays, most employers have a “Don’t Call Us, We’ll Call You” way of thinking. They want us only to submit an application online. Then, they don’t want to hear from us. If we follow-up with a phone call, they become annoyed and say, “If we’re interested, we’ll contact you.”
So while I continue to say that delivering a copy of your resume in person is a nice touch that will almost certainly differentiate you from the rest of the pack, you should certainly still go ahead and fill out the online application. Hiring managers will need that done before they can schedule a formal interview.
An ex co-worker moved to Jacksonville and wanted to work in a specific field (tech). He looked up the best candidates in the vicinity and went to each one personally and applied for a position, some not even hiring at the time.
He managed to get in to one of his choices and that employer wasn't even listing a job opening at the time. The gentleman who hired him called me as I was listed as a referral, and explained to me how my ex co-worker was going about finding his next job.
Perhaps not a viable option for many, but it is not necessarily a waste of time.
The Quebecois are the ‘sainted’ in True-dolt’s Canaduh. English Quebecers, just ‘maudit anglais’. All this in spite of True-dolt’s mother being ‘h’anglais’ and his father’s mother also being ‘h’anglais’.
Companies have always done this just to see what’s in the market if for no other reason. Anybody who’s been in the consulting world has seen this for a long long time.
I have an MBA. I went through an extremely awful time during the Great Recession. It sure didn’t help me then. I’m doing pretty well now, cut of course I have another 10 years’ worth of experience now.
I work as a consultant (yes with an MBA LOL!) in banking.
I had a devil of a time during the Great Recession and was driven into dire poverty. I tried all the things this guy in the story is trying - I applied for all sorts of jobs. Nothing. It was just a pure waste of time.
Those who suggested cutting and pasting certain key words and phrases into their resume are correct. That’s definitely a good idea.
I work almost totally through headhunters now. Most of the headhunters who call me are Indian and its very rare that anything ever comes from dealing with them. They just look for jobs, do a keyword search of resumes and then call you up and plug your info into the job application.
What has been productive for me has been working with the same headhunters I’ve worked with for years....usually local to the market. They have actual connections to the hiring managers in the companies and have every incentive to send them good candidates rather than duds. If you do a good job after they place you a couple times, they know you’re solid and they’ll keep placing you with other roles.
Also, I’ve worked mostly with the same few banks. After they hire you and you do a good job, you can cite this manager and that one etc in their bank who you worked for before. They’ll just contact a few of those managers and after getting assured that you’re a solid worker, they’re happy to have you. Once one or two big banks hire you, others figure your solid and they’ll hire you.
BUT....it was absolute hell breaking in. It took me YEARS before anybody would give me one freaking chance in this industry. My experience in other industries was apparently worthless (this industry tends to be very snobby that way). To anybody who thinks I have it good now, you have no idea how many chit sandwiches I had to eat before finally getting to where I am.
Sorry to hear that....but yes, you might have just a few years experience and then an MBA can take you places. It’s where you have very little or no experience when it gets ignored.
Glad things are better :)
I recently did an info interview for a job that pays significantly less than my old one. Given what I’ve read in this thread, and given that I’m nearly 2 months unemployed, if I’m offered this job, I will simply take it. There’s no need for putting myself through unnecessary suffering.
Let me add: The company takes a regular job (audit, accounting, etc etc) and tries to make it sound as technical as they possibly can. Then they claim that Americans don’t have the technical expertise for it. Then they go hire an H1b Indian and dangle the potential of a green card in front of them and pay them 40% less than it would cost to hire an American.
I saw that about 1/4 of the giant office towers at the big banks were filled with H1b Indians even during the height of the Great Recession when tons of highly qualified Americans were absolutely dying to get a decent job. That pissed me off royally.
Then, the companies run screaming to congress that they need yet more cheap labor....because gosh darn it, there just aren’t any Americans with the skills you see........
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