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Germany seizes control of Russian-owned oil refineries
Energy Live News ^ | 9-16-22 | Dimitris Mavrokefalidis

Posted on 09/16/2022 7:44:45 AM PDT by Brookhaven

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To: MalPearce

I’ve acknowledged the leak is unconfirmed.

I do await further investigation.

It does align with the actions of the neocons over the past several years/decades. *That is NOT a slur. George W Bush Foundation is a major grantor to RAND. Something I was personally wrong about, as I campaigned openly for W’s 2nd term. My bad.))

What is shadowy about the source? It is a known publication and the author signed his name. Both the publication & the author are Swedish, recently touted as a nation “standing up to Putin” and the next member of NATO, prior to the recent election, which could change all that.

Seems apropos and also quite open and transparent. It will be up to the forensic intelligence operatives to _quickly_ reveal if it is faked. This is not a trivial area of investigation and unless they have been able to preemptively scrub/sub whatever they claim is *truth*, the possibility remains that someone will have archived prior releases.

None of your observations are reason to ignore the release.

William Casey, former CIA Director (deceased) once said (paraphrsed) “Our disinformation work will be complete when everything the American public believes is false.” (And yes, I am aware that the CIA and the intelligence community denies this was said....but then, they would.)

Sometimes, you need to drop the gut checks because they are subjective. Sometimes, even the most passionate of us are wrong. Me, too, of course.

But the weight of the anecdotal observations do mount impressively, do they not?


101 posted on 09/16/2022 12:09:18 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Brookhaven

Anything to avoid peace. The globalists want their war. How else ya gonna generate world wide poverty? Covid’s over.


102 posted on 09/16/2022 12:10:00 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: NorseViking; Cen-Tejas

When it comes to INTRINSIC WEALTH, Russia is the wealthiest nation in the world.

By far.


103 posted on 09/16/2022 12:10:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: nascarnation

“Greta is trying to get the EU to ban wood burning”

It’s hilarious to watch. They are clearcutting woods in Europe now, to heat homes.

For real.

Stupid should hurt. And it is.


104 posted on 09/16/2022 12:12:20 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: Cronos

“Putin started this. He lost and is losing”

I see the batsignal went up for the State Department interns to chime in with “Putin Bad!”


105 posted on 09/16/2022 12:14:46 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: ansel12
I don’t think...

You should have stopped at that, the truth.

For months you guys have argued that because Putin attacked a so called "innocent Ukraine" he was capable of any horrible act, but now "you don't think" he is capable of escalating a proxy war with nuclear weapons when his army is already in the thick of fighting.

106 posted on 09/16/2022 12:42:13 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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To: nascarnation

No backup generators/woodburning stoves for the serfs!


107 posted on 09/16/2022 12:47:42 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: higgmeister

It is the scale of things, being embarrassed by the people you are invading next door doesn’t lead to being so annoyed Putin ends his and Russia’s existence, in nuclear fire.

A phone call from Putin would not lead the military to launch a nuclear war when they know Russia is not being attacked by anyone or even being threatened by anyone.

It would basically be launching nuclear war while at peace.


108 posted on 09/16/2022 12:54:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Mariner

I once went to lunch with a man that wanted to buy an apartment project I had just finished. Trying to impress me, he took me to a local very high class restaurant. When the tab came, he threw his credit card on the table. It bounced! I had to pick up the tab.

What’s the lesson re INTRINSIC wealth??? Even though he had a ten million dollar statement, he was broke CASH wise!

Russia will have to find investors to DEVELOP their INTRINSIC wealth because they have zero cash or soon will.

1,000 + companies have already told Russia FY......we are moving out and not coming back. Russia’s name for the foreseeable decades is MUD to investors.......as it should be.


109 posted on 09/16/2022 12:56:21 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Sure, people forget that the President of Russia wants to win things, he will do like you said, like all world leaders do, and search for ways that he hopes will work, whether long-term or short-term, to accomplish his goals.

He won’t just give up and say, let’s all die in a nuclear wipeout of the planet.


110 posted on 09/16/2022 1:00:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Brookhaven

Yes. Anyone does. Want to guess who?


111 posted on 09/16/2022 1:01:25 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Brookhaven

Germany may take over the refineries, but the question I have is, who supplies the crude oil to the refineries? If Russia happens to be the supplier, I hope no one is stupid enough to think that Russia will continue to supply the crude oil.


112 posted on 09/16/2022 1:34:05 PM PDT by Saintgermain
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To: ansel12

Nato is not a defensive alliance. Exibits Serbia and Libya. It is the deep state military wing. It will eventually morph into a German controlled outfit when Uncle Sam is pre occupied closer to home. Probably via a civil war


113 posted on 09/16/2022 2:32:55 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: Long Jon No Silver

Yes, its mission is to protect Europe from Russia, not attack it.


114 posted on 09/16/2022 2:56:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: ansel12

Did Serbia or Libya attack a nato member country? Defensive my ass


115 posted on 09/16/2022 3:08:56 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: Long Jon No Silver

NATO didn’t attack Russia, never have, not even when the USSR collapsed, not even as Russia keeps invading others.


116 posted on 09/16/2022 3:11:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Brookhaven

Germany turns Venezuela


117 posted on 09/16/2022 3:26:03 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: ansel12

E.) WION
Gravitas Plus: Did NATO Push Ukraine Into War?

“...Palki Sharma tells you how western arrogance and NATO expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine”

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU


118 posted on 09/16/2022 4:26:31 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: Cen-Tejas
More bluff and bluster from the Russian commies yes, REAL action, I doubt it.

An animal is most dangerous when cornered.

119 posted on 09/16/2022 4:30:50 PM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "one-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: Its All Over Except ...

See post 116, Russia planned an invasion and mobilized its forces, positioned them, and then launched a deadly attack on Ukraine.


120 posted on 09/16/2022 5:00:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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