Posted on 09/14/2022 3:18:45 AM PDT by tlozo
Which will cost me less money?
It would have been a lot cheaper for us
Peter Dickinson
Editor, UkraineAlert
Chief Editor, Business Ukraine Magazine
Eurasia Center
Drill baby drill.
The decade plus old claims of ‘genocide’ between Russia and Ukraine.
Long been utilized as this 2014 can substantiate....
‘Crying Genocide: Use and Abuse of Political Rhetoric in Russia and Ukraine’
https://carnegieendowment.org/2014/07/28/crying-genocide-use-and-abuse-of-political-rhetoric-in-russia-and-ukraine-pub-56265
So Comrade Travis, what happened 80 years ago during World War II justifies Russia invading Ukraine now, leveling its towns and cities, and torturing and slaughtering its citizens?
You're a joke with you're Nato Expansion. NATO is not a threat to invade nuclear Russia. Stop making stupid excuses for Russian Imperialism.
former CIA head Leon Panetta
Condaleeza Rice
Henry Kissinger
General James N. Mattis. retired
Bill Clinton's secretary of defense, William J. Perry
Aaaannnddd, the Atlantic Council's Chairman of the Board is Goldman Sacchs'
CEO, John F.W. Rogers
President and CEO, Frederick Kempe , spent 30 years at the Wall Street Journal.
So basically, the Atlantic Council carries the Deep State's water while posing as a foreign policy think tank. So the Deep State wants us all to think that the Ukraine, and the billions fellow corruptocrats like Biden have sent it, are winning the war, and they want your donations....no refunds when you realize they're lying.
And who exactly would be powerful enough in Western or Central Europe to invade Russia through Ukraine?
The Dutch?
The Norwegians?
The Czechs?
Seriously, you’re making ridiculous excuses. It’s not an invasion they fear.
Bkmk
in the long rum (5 to 10 years), supporting Ukraine with weapons and financial support will cost you much, much less money.
So, IOW, you would be fine with a China-Mexico “defensive alliance,” with Chinese troops, tanks and nuclear missiles arrayed along our southern border?
Okay, got it.
For Russia, this ongoing scenario with Ukraine is actually worse, because America was never invaded from the south in a genocidal war of extermination, with dozens of cities and towns burned, and millions of Americans killed.
This did happen to Russia, in living memory, and the invasion by an alliance of Europeans, led by Germany, came through Ukraine.
If they had made it 100 more miles, to the Caspian, they would have cut off the oil and won the war outright.
This is not hypothetical to Russians. It happened in living memory.
So let me end by reiterating the question: You would be fine with a China-Mexico alliance that saw Chinese troops, tanks and missiles along our southern border?
Yes, or no?
“It’s not an invasion they fear.”
Same question to you as above. You would be fine with a China-Mexico alliance, with Chinese troops, tanks and missiles along the Mexican border.
Yes, or no?
The difference being, America was never invaded from the south in a war of extermination.
Russia was, in living memory.
So, please answer the question. You would be fine with a Communist China-Mexico alliance, with Chinese troops, tanks and missiles along the Mexican border.
Probably not
So explain moron, why Putin, who according to you is so terrified of NATO expansion, said its okay for Finland and Sweden to join NATO and that its "not a threat"? Why because NATO invading nuclear Russia is NOT going to happen.
Putin sees no threat from NATO expansion, warns against military build-up
President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that there was no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland joined NATO
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-finland-sweden-joining-nato-mistake-with-far-reaching-consequences-2022-05-16/
There was ZERO chance of an invasion of Russia through Ukraine.
ZERO.
Why can’t you just take the L on this bizarre idea like a man?
No one is EVER going to invade Russia through Ukraine from Western or Central Europe. No one. Ever.
A China-Mexico alliance? You’re so ill-equipped to debate about Russia-Ukraine you have to create absurd analogies from a twilight world that doesn’t exist.
And let me remind you that reducing the Nazi German invasion of the USSR to “gee, they invaded Russia through Ukraine” is utter nonsense since the Germans actually invaded the USSR (there was no independent Russian state) through POLAND which had been occupied by the Soviets in 1939 along with their Nazi allies. https://www.military-history.org/feature/operation-barbarossa-map-1941.htm
This is not about Soros, Globohomoism, De-Nazification or any other Russian protagonists’ distractions. This is about Russia invading and annexing Ukraine and killing its people. You throw up .gifs of events going back over 300 years to justify Russia’s actions yet in the last 20 years:
-Russia invaded and annexed Chechnya.
-Russia invaded and annexed Georgia.
-Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.
-Russia invaded and is attempting to annex Ukraine.
-Russia invaded and annexed LPR.
-Russia invaded and annexed DPR.
-Russia has declared its intention to invade and annex Moldova.
-Russia has declared its intention to invade and annex the Baltic states -NATO members.
NATO is correct to arm Ukrainians to fight Russia in Ukraine to avoid nuclear war when Russia attacks the Baltic States.
Russia’s conventional forces are vastly inferior to NATO’s which compels it to first-use nuclear weapons when attacking NATO countries.
Putin is pushing an “I win or everyone loses” strategy. NATO and the rest of the world has had enough.
You reach back 300 years to justify Russian aggression and territorial conquest. Your premise is amoral. What’s good for Russia is “good” what’s bad for Russia is “bad”.
You are grossly biased. You offer no reasonable argument based upon morality. You have lost all credibility on this forum
The Germans, along with their French (Charlemagne Division SS), Scandinavian (Viking SS), Spanish (Condor Legion), Romanian etc European allies invaded Russia via Poland then through Belarus and UKRAINE.
This is an historical fact. This was in living memory of millions of Russians, and tens of millions of their offspring.
So, you think that Russia should just sit back while Ukraine joins NATO, with full Article V guarantees, and NATO puts nuclear-tipped missiles in Kharkiv Oblast, with a 4 minute flight time to Moscow? Russia should just passively accept this?
If your answer is yes, Ukraine can do anything it wishes, then why is my China-Mexico analogy not apt? Why would you permit nuclear NATO missiles in Kharkiv Oblast, but not CCP missiles along the Rio Grande? If Mexico joins an alliance with Communist China down the road, what would be your objection?
For Russians, the situation is much worse, because in living memory they did suffer an extermination invasion from Europe that came through Ukraine, and came within 100 miles of a Caspian oil fields knockout punch, which would have been followed by a Nazi extermination of Russians.
This happened in the living memory of millions of Russians.
But now you expect them to just passively accept NATO nuclear missiles minutes from Moscow in Ukraine.
Then by what rationale would you object to Communist Chinese nuclear missiles along the Rio Grande?
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