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Ukraine – the situation (September 6, 2022)
Asia Times ^

Posted on 09/06/2022 4:57:03 AM PDT by FarCenter

Summary/Overview

Russia cut Nord Stream 1, its main natural gas pipeline to Europe, blaming it on sanctions and saying it would be long-lasting. Energy prices surged; European currencies dropped to multi-decade lows.

Ukraine President’s office “explained” the Kherson offensive – or low visibility thereof – by telling the Wall Street Journal the goal was not quick territorial gains but the “systemic grinding of Putin’s army.”

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) mission to investigate the safety situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant has arrived. Mission leader Rafael Mariano Grossi has not yet delivered his report on the shelling of the facility and the plant’s overall safety. But ten or so members of his mission remain at the Energodar site and have proved the value of their continued presence by clarifying plant safety after a powerline was cut two days ago.

Russia claims – and there’s some independent evidence – that just prior to the arrival of the Grossi mission the Ukraine military sent commandos on barges and speed boats across the Dnepr River from the Nikopol side attempting to take over the plant. All that’s known for certain is that there was fighting near the plant in the early morning prior to the IAEA mission’s arrival.

In the South, there was company-strength fighting along the lines of control since March at and to the north and northeast of the town of Arkhanhelske.

In the East/Center theater, Russian forces continued their slow grind west out of the city of Donetsk and, further north, into the town and transportation hub of Bakhmut.

(Excerpt) Read more at asiatimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeswarnotours; leteuropehandleit; notamericasfight; notamericaswar; notglobalcops; putiparanoidsunite
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To: Gunslingr3; Robert DeLong
Should you go with ‘it was just a clever feint, Putin never wanted it anyway’, or do we pretend this reversal is another ‘goodwill gesture’ on the part of the invaders?

Russia's 'good will gesture' toward Kiev coincided with a negotiated settlement to the war which Zelenski had agreed to but the US/UK completely rejected.

Confirmation of this comes from Western sources (Fiona Hill among others) and coincides with the unannounced visit to Kiev by that deep state goon Boris Johnson, after which all negotiations with Russia ceased and a propaganda campaign of Russian atrocities began.

21 posted on 09/06/2022 7:25:27 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Robert DeLong
I have no clue as to what the ‘Moon of Alabama’ is

It's a blog relied upon by people who think the Russian retreat from Kiev, Chernhigov, Sumy, Nikolaev, Snake Island and Kharkov were all part of Russia's brilliant invasion plans.

but your picture, which isn’t a picture at all

Not sure the point of your errant semantics, but we can let it go as it isn't germane.

doesn’t even show Kherson

If you'll google the names you don't recognize on that map it will help you learn they are in Kherson oblast. Kherson is the name of a city, and a 'state', kind of like New York.

let alone the smoke you claim that these photos show.

Not pictures of smoke. Satellite detection of heat from fires. Do you think NASA is faking the FIRMS data, or are the fires advancing south?

22 posted on 09/06/2022 7:27:09 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: KOZ.

zelenky is a mean homo


23 posted on 09/06/2022 7:29:00 AM PDT by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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To: mac_truck

Your entire post is fiction as usual. It is typical that your reference is Fiona Hill of the Brookings Institution. Maybe next time you’ll find a good North Korean source.


24 posted on 09/06/2022 7:46:17 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: caww

—”We were way ahead of Ukraine and knew they’d say after they lost thousands in their failed counter attack.....”

WE?
Guessing that you have a mouse in your pocket.

And vatniks blood runs to the tiny head with the thought of any possible Ukraine losses, preventing actual thinking.


25 posted on 09/06/2022 7:53:14 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last messa)
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To: Gunslingr3
Not pictures of smoke. Satellite detection of heat from fires. Do you think NASA is faking the FIRMS data, or are the fires advancing south?

Even that is not present, because these are not pictures from satellites. This is a picture of earth taken from a satellite:

7e4ec03e5ec0b70958dbe95418e8a5bc.jpg

50 Photos of Earth Taken by Satellites

I'm still not familiar with this blog. So, obviously I do not get my information from it. But at least I know what a NASA photo of earth taken from a satellite looks like, and what you presented is nothing more than basic rendering of a crude map.

You could have at offered up:

Drone footage: Kostyrka, Kherson Oblast, southern Ukraine: Ukrainian air reconnaissance video shows coordinated drone-corrected M777 artillery strikes on Russian positions, filmed from a Ukrainian Leleka UAV.

26 posted on 09/06/2022 7:55:48 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Monterrosa-24; All
Your entire post is fiction as usual.

Here is the excerpt from a recent Foreign Affairs article written by Fiona Hill and Angela Stent.

"According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries."

-btw You are correct...former Trump Administration official and deep state tool Fiona Hill currently works at the Brookings Institute...which is why her inadvertent quoted admission in the Foreign Affairs article has credence.

27 posted on 09/06/2022 8:07:30 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck
It coincided with the island falling under range of western delivered artillery and Russian air defenses catching fire - repeatedly. The Russians ran under fire, and were forced to leave behind equipment, that they themselves then bombed. Anyone swallowing the Kremlin propaganda that they ran away under fire as a 'goodwill gesture' presents acute gullibility.
28 posted on 09/06/2022 8:11:17 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Robert DeLong

They propose all alternative sourcing is lies

Moon of Alabama
Ryba
Pat Lancaster
Etc

Are all lies even though most always declare when they use Russian sources

And then on a dime they declare western media that they don’t trust for anything else is truthful about Ukraine

Despite so many lies proven over and over

They are still fighting the Cold War and that’s it

That narrative

Oblivious

I read all of it especially on ground reports near fighting

It appears Ukraine counter has failed and been costly

The fighting remains mostly in Donbas where Uke strongholds are being shut down one by one

This war continues only with our cash and fancy weapons

A huge waste of uke life at this point in my view


29 posted on 09/06/2022 8:20:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (If you are squishy about what’s going on you’re damn weak and on the wrong forums)
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To: wardaddy
This war continues only with our cash and fancy weapons

Of course that is the case. Don't forget that we are sending armaments as well. We are depleting our stockpiles, for what I always ask them? Their answer is like a broken record by now and I'm sure you know it also: Russia invaded Ukraine. So, then I ask them why did Russia invade Ukraine? Yet another broken record response: Putin wants to reconstitute the U.S.S.R. Only a fool believe that nonsense.

Also notice that Europe is beginning to regret their involvement. Has any European country given either materials or financial aide to Ukraine lately? I think it's only the U.S. doing so.

They fail to take our outrageous debt load we already have into consideration. The other reality they fail to consider is the attempts by the BRICS nations trying to dethrone the dollar as the world's reserve currency, and what the ramifications would be if they are successful in that endeavor.

30 posted on 09/06/2022 8:39:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

But at least I know what a NASA photo of earth taken from a satellite looks like, and what you presented is nothing more than basic rendering of a crude map.

FIRMS website

You can have the maps with 'street', 'topographic' or 'blue marble' (that would be the pretty picture) where they lay the detected infrared on the base layer of your choice. Street view is more useful for tactical maps, as it shows the roads and settlements without clutter.

31 posted on 09/06/2022 8:48:39 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
So, provide me with these pictures. It supposedly is an easy request to fill if these pictures exist. That should be the case, right?

Remember it was you who said they exist. All I am asking is for you to provide them. Why do you keep stalling?

If they do not exist, then just admit that fact. You are an honest person, aren't you?

32 posted on 09/06/2022 9:05:29 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
They not only exist, I already gave you the link. Note, this tool is interactive.

Try going to this link.

Then, in the right hand window adjust the date from August 29th to August 31st and see the fight move south as the Russians are pushed back:


33 posted on 09/06/2022 9:53:21 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: DUMBGRUNT
If you follow how Ukraine leadership operates, how they think, it's not hard to know what they will say next. Ukraine makes main stream media look like armatures in how they spin reality.
34 posted on 09/06/2022 10:06:56 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: Gunslingr3
It coincided with the island falling under range of western delivered artillery and Russian air defenses catching fire - repeatedly.

Russia Ukraine negotiations fell apart in early April and Russia didn't leave Snake Island until the end of June. The two events have nothing to do with each other.

The good will gesture I was talking about was Russia pulling back from their encirclement of Kiev in late March which coincided with the tentative agreement they had reached with Zelenski until the US/UK stepped in and scuttled it, not some meaningless evacuation from an island of little strategic value months later.

35 posted on 09/06/2022 10:12:46 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Cold showers are making you testy.


36 posted on 09/06/2022 11:06:35 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: WMarshal

You don’t mind posting crazy.


37 posted on 09/06/2022 11:19:22 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: mac_truck
The good will gesture I was talking about was Russia pulling back from their encirclement of Kiev in late March

That wasn't a goodwill gesture, that was the Russian army floundering in the absence of adequate logistics to support what they incorrectly anticipated would largely be an uncontested road march. Instead they got smoked at Hostomel and couldn't generate further advance after trying to bypass Sumy and Chernigov. Their effort was doomed because they couldn't support armies on that many axis at once. That's why they retreated.

Anyone reading Russian retreats as 'goodwill gestures' has laughable appreciation of history and/or military realities.

38 posted on 09/06/2022 11:20:06 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Poor Berlin_Freeper. The Kherson offensive will be continuing to fail and begin to head west.

Buy your turnips now for winter now.


39 posted on 09/06/2022 11:38:18 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Gunslingr3

You bring them here. I am not going to go find them. Bring them here so everyone can see them.


40 posted on 09/06/2022 12:02:16 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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