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Embalmers Have Been Finding Numerous Long, Fibrous Clots That Lack Post-Mortem Characteristics
epoch times ^ | 9/4 | rodguy911

Posted on 09/04/2022 3:15:16 AM PDT by rodguy911

Embalmers Have Been Finding Numerous Long, Fibrous Clots That Lack Post-Mortem Characteristics By Enrico Trigoso September 2, 2022 Updated: September 3, 2022biggersmaller Print

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Several embalmers across the country have been observing many large, and sometimes very long, “fibrous” and rubbery clots inside the corpses they treat, and are speaking out about their findings.

Numerous embalmers from different states confirmed to The Epoch Times that they have been seeing these strange clots, starting from either 2020 or 2021.

It’s not yet known if the cause of the new clot phenomenon is COVID-19, vaccines, both, or something different.

The Epoch Times received videos and photos of the anomalous clots, but could not upload them due to the level of gore.

Mike Adams, who runs an ISO-17025 accredited lab in Texas, analyzed clots in August and found them to be lacking iron, potassium, magnesium, and zinc.

Adams’s lab uses inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry (ICP-MS), triple quadrupole mass spectrometer, and liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry, usually testing food for metals, pesticides, and glyphosate.

“We have tested one of the clots from embalmer Richard Hirschman, via ICP-MS. Also tested side by side, live human blood from an unvaccinated person,” Adams told The Epoch Times.

He found that the clots are lacking key elements present in healthy human blood, such as iron, potassium, and magnesium, suggesting that they are formed from something other than blood.

Adams is joining analytic forces with more doctors and plan to invest out of their own pocket in equipment in order to further determine their composition and probable causation.

The string-like structures differ in size, but the longest can be as long as a human leg and the thickest can be as thick as a pinky finger.

Drastic Increase in Clots Richard Hirschman, a licensed funeral director and embalmer in Alabama, recalled that he has been in the trade since the tragedy of 9/11.

“Prior to 2020, 2021, we probably would see somewhere between 5 to 10 percent of the bodies that we would embalm [having] blood clots,” Hirschman told The Epoch Times.

“We are familiar with what blood clots are, and we’ve had to deal with them over time,” he said.

He says that now, 50 percent to 70 percent of the bodies he sees have clots.

“For me to embalm a body without any clots, kind of like how it was in the day, prior to all of this stuff … It’s rare,” Hirschman said.

“The exception is to embalm a body without clots,” he noted.

Clot Analysis The chart below shows the differences between the blood of the unvaccinated and the clot tested with ICP-MS, according to Adams’s analysis.

Element Blood (Unvaccinated) Clot Mg (Magnesium) 35 ppm 1.7 ppm K (Potassium) 1,893 ppm 12.5 ppm Fe (Iron) 462 ppm 20.6 ppm Cu (Copper) 1 ppm 0.3 ppm Zn (Zinc) 7.9 ppm 2.4 ppm Al (Aluminum) 1.3 ppm 1.6 ppm Na (Sodium) 1,050 ppm 1,500 ppm C (Carbon) 137,288 ppm 152,845 ppm Ca (Calcium) 74 ppm 23.8 ppm Sn (Tin) 163 ppb 943 ppb Cl (Chlorine) 930,000 ppm 290,000 ppm P (Phosphorus) 1,130 ppm 4,900 ppm “Notice that the key elemental markers of human blood such as iron are missing in the clot (which is just at 4.4 percent of blood). Similar story with magnesium, potassium, and zinc. These are clear markers for human blood. Live human blood will always have high iron, or the person would be dead. These clots have almost no iron, nor magnesium, etc.,” Adams told The Epoch Times.

Wade Hamilton, a cardiologist who is familiar with clots, told The Epoch Times: “The fact that the magnesium, potassium, and iron are very low in the samples could suggest that they are not the usual post-mortem clots, that in fact there was no blood flow in these vessels. These structures raise but do not totally answer some interesting questions.”

“The combination of the low electrolytes and the novel very strong string-like structures suggests that these areas where the string-like structures are seen in the blood vessels did not receive circulation. They are not ‘normal’ post-mortem findings according to experienced embalmers bent on obtaining total body vascular access from one site, which because of the unusual ‘clots,’ they were unable to do,” he added.

“They are not normal post-mortem clots but rather the long tiny strings may have been etiologic in the deaths, preventing circulation to those regions. Others have shown that the spike protein can and does unfold and form a different configuration, contributing to tight string-like bonded structures with longitudinal twisting as well as cross binding, visible by microscopy, each one measuring angstroms in diameter—it takes 25,400,000 angstroms to make an inch—a typical capillary is around 5 microns, so many strings are needed to occlude a vessel.”

The embalming process has become much more difficult too, causing some embalmers to have to drain the blood via multiple points instead of a single spot.

‘Never Seen’ Before “In 20 years of embalming, I had never seen these white fibrous structures in the blood, nor have others in my field. In the past year, I have seen these strange clots in many different individuals, and it doesn’t seem to matter what they die of, they often have similar substances in their blood. This makes me very concerned because if something is wrong in the blood, it begs the question: is something causing people to die prematurely?” Hirschman said.

“As the summer [of 2021] went on, COVID deaths were on the decline, but these clots were increasing in number. My suspicion is that the vaccine may be the cause of these strange clots. I realize that I am not a doctor nor am I a scientist, but I do know what blood looks like and I am very familiar with the embalming process that I have been doing for two decades. I do not know 100 percent what causes these clots, but I do know from my experience and through speaking with several other embalmers and funeral directors none of us had seen this strange clotting before.”

Hirschman sent the clots to a few pathologists and claims that some of them have “overlooked” them, probably due to fear of retaliation.

He has embalmed thousands of bodies and is very familiar with blood, and he feels that the blood of most of the bodies he has seen in the last two years “has changed.”

Hirschman is not afraid to lose his job because he’s a trade embalmer and not employed by a funeral home, but is also cautious not to reveal where exactly he works.

“They’re not even dead from COVID. They’re dying of sudden heart attacks, strokes, cancers. It doesn’t seem to matter what these people die of nowadays, so many of them have the same anomalies in their blood.”

“The blood is different. Something is causing the blood to change. And the whole purpose of me trying to come out was to try to say: look, something’s wrong. Let’s figure out what it is so that maybe we can find a way to help break this stuff down and save people’s lives,” Hirschman said.

“If it’s not the vaccine, fine! What is it? Let’s figure it out, because something is causing it and it can’t be healthy.”

Vaccination Status Hirschman is not always able to talk to the families but has been diligently trying to confirm if the bodies of the people with clots had been vaccinated.

The funeral house sometimes knows the vaccination status of the deceased person and tells him; sometimes it may also be that the person got vaccinated and did not tell the family.

“I had a 49-year-old, was totally healthy getting ready for work, collapses dead. Next thing you know, I’m embalming him, and guess what I’m pulling out of him? The same stuff. Same stuff! He was totally fine, totally healthy. Shocked everybody. Find out, oh, yeah. Not only was he vaccinated, he was boosted,” Hirschman recalled.

He also stated that he found the “same stuff” in a man who had a stroke while sleeping and who died of cancer.

“I spoke with an embalmer in Louisiana and she said the same thing,” Hirschman said. “Sometimes they’re not huge, there are other varieties of anomalies, some of them were small, sometimes they’re little specks, like pieces of sand or coffee grounds.”

Hirschman annotated the details of bodies he has embalmed in the last few years:

2018 total bodies: 410 1st Quarter 90 2nd Quarter 77 3rd Quarter 110 4th Quarter 133 2019 total bodies: 439 1st Quarter 95 2nd Quarter 76 3rd Quarter 101 4th Quarter 167 2020 total bodies: 572 1st Quarter 130 2nd Quarter 60 3rd Quarter 166 4th Quarter 216 2021 total bodies: 632 1st Quarter 198 2nd Quarter 91 3rd Quarter 164 4th Quarter 179 (Nov. 9/19 Clotted; Dec. 19/40 Clotted) 2022 total bodies so far: 364 1st Quarter 146 (38 not clotted, 67 heavy clots, 20 confirmed vaccinated) 2nd Quarter 90 (11 not clotted, 38 heavy clots, 21 confirmed vaccinated) 3rd Quarter 128 (19 not clotted, 51 heavy clots, 15 confirmed vaccinated) Other Embalmers Wallace Hooker is an expert embalmer who lectures on a national level as well as internationally. He has a significant presence on social media, especially on some private embalming websites.

Hooker sees about 300 bodies a year, and has seen numerous clots of the same kind Hirschman has.

He told The Epoch Times that “people are seeing these [clots], it’s just not Richard and me and Anna [Foster],” another embalmer.

“I have people sending me photos almost every week of what they’re seeing,” Hooker said.

After he stated that he suspected the vaccines could have something to do with the clots, he was dismissed by some people who said he wasn’t a qualified doctor who could comment on the cause.

Hooker also suspects that the so-called Sudden Adult Death Syndrome could have some relation to these clots.

Hooker lives in a conservative, rural area, and from his observation, fewer of the people there have been vaccinated compared to those in big cities.

“At least 25 percent of what I was embalming would display a significant amount of clotting,” Hooker said.

He also noted that some embalmers with lesser skill might not find the clots after draining and that pathologists who do autopsies on the bodies might not do a full check on the vascular system.

“Some embalmers are not being thorough embalmers. Many work for corporate firms that absolutely do not allow a cell phone in the embalming room. They do not allow photos to be taken, and it’s grounds for immediate dismissal. I’ve talked to these people that work for these firms,” he further stated.

Anna Foster, a licensed funeral director from Missouri, explained that she started seeing more frequent and larger clots after the COVID pandemic started.

“I often sit with the families to make the arrangements. Families tend to tell us about the lead-up to the individual’s death, and knowing I embalmed the person the night before led me to keep track of these cases,” Foster told The Epoch Times.

“In the beginning, none had ever been diagnosed with COVID, but they had all been vaccinated. Later, a couple had had COVID but not recently, and they were also vaccinated,” she continued.

“Most of the individuals I embalmed and saw these changes were over the age of 75 and lived in nursing facilities, except for two men in their early fifties. One of these men was a friend of ours, and he had the vaccination, and after his second dose, he began to feel ill. His wife took him to their family doctor, and the doctor immediately sent him to the ER because he was showing signs of a thrown clot or a heart attack. He went into cardiac arrest while transferring, and he died shortly after. He was embalmed right after death, and the clotting was by far unexplainable, and this is when I began to feel very concerned about this vaccination and canceled my thoughts of receiving the vaccination myself,” Foster said.

In one case, she pulled out clots that were 2 feet in length and “several more” that were at least 12 inches—from the same body.

“I know before the vaccination, my embalming cases did not have the amount of clotting I see now, and very rarely would you find many with fibrin attached; now, it is at least ten times the amount, if not more,” she said.

Strange Clots Larry Mills, a licensed embalmer and funeral director in the state of Alabama, has been in the funeral business since 1968 and has been involved with the embalming procedure since the beginning of his career.

“We as embalmers are seeing some strange clots since the COVID outbreak. These clots are very rubbery feeling and very long as they exit the veins that we use during the embalming procedure. They really appear to be like earthworms. I have never seen this in my career until now,” Mills told The Epoch Times.

Other funeral directors or embalmers wanted to maintain anonymity, because they don’t know how the funeral houses would react.

“I can tell you with certainty that the clots Richard has shown online are a phenomenon that I have not witnessed until probably the middle of last year. That is pretty much all I have to say about it. I have no knowledge as to what is causing the clots, but they did seemingly start showing up around the middle of 2021,” another embalmer, licensed since around 2001, told The Epoch Times.

“You can [be] rest assured that the clots we are seeing are not something we ever saw prior to last year,” he added.

A licensed funeral director and apprentice embalmer who has been in the funeral industry for over 3 years has participated in over 200 embalmings.

“During May of 2021, the embalming process became more difficult. The normal draining of the blood was almost halted by thick, jelly-like blood. Instead, of the blood flowing normally down the table, it was very vicious. So thick, that it would not wash down the table without assistance,” she told The Epoch Times.

As time has passed since the vaccines were distributed she has seen more of the “thick blood” as well as the “thick, fibrous-like clots.”

The clots are not only clotting the veins but the arteries as well.

She explained that normal embalming usually takes around 2 hours, but now it can take up to 4 hours.

“The distribution of the arterial fluid is being blocked by these clots and making my job more difficult. The clots are so large and thick that with the flow of arterial solution, massage and manipulation of the artery or vein is necessary for removal,” she continued. “I am able to assist some of the large clots with forceps.”

“Many families have reported their loved one’s death as a sudden heart attack, embolisms, and blood clots. Many families have stated, that their family members had no health issues prior to receiving the vaccine. I myself am vaccinated, as well as my parents. My father was vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine, two weeks later he had emergency surgery for blood clots in his popliteal artery. After his second vaccine dose, he was hospitalized with more clots, he had surgery a second time, and the third time he almost died. My father had to have a complete bypass in his leg,” she said.

“During my father’s hospitalization, my best friend’s father was having emergency surgery at the same hospital for a massive heart attack, which he suffered weeks after receiving his vaccine.”

“My father, now suffers from nerve damage and loss of usage in his leg. After my mother received her Moderna vaccine, she has suffered complications of heart valve failure, and surgery for blood clots in her arteries. I have been diagnosed, with pericardial effusion of the tricuspid valve and I also have myocarditis. I started having sharp chest pain, shortness of breath and it has progressively become worse. I went to the emergency room and followed up with a cardiologist, who diagnosed me. My blood pressure is at an all-time high. I was a very healthy person until I received the Moderna vaccine,” she stated.

The Epoch Times reached out to Moderna for comment.

Three other embalmers also confirmed over the phone having witnessed anomalous clots.

Possible Explanations: Doctors “The very large blood clots that are being removed before and after death are unlike anything we have ever seen in medicine,” Dr. James Thorp, a maternal-fetal medicine expert who has been observing anomalies in pregnant women and fetuses, told The Epoch Times.

“The COVID-19 vaccine diverts energy away from the physiologic processes in the body towards the production of the toxic spike protein. This directs energy away from the normal process of internal digestion also known as autophagy. This results in protein misfolding and propagation of large intravascular blood clots and also a variety of related diseases including prion disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, amyloidosis, and dementias including Alzheimer’s and others. While it is possible that COVID-19 illness in itself could potentially contribute to these diseases, it is unlikely and if so the effect of the vaccine would be 100 to a 1,000-fold greater than that of COVID-19 disease.” Thorp said.

Epoch Times Photo Figure 1 Proper 3D conformation of a protein is dependent on available energy in the cellular milieu. Protein misfolding is more likely to occur during periods of impaired mitochondrial function and oxidative stress. (Courtesy of James Thorp) Hamilton added that: “Another possible explanation of the low electrolytes is that they have been taken up and bound to the toxin as part of a failed process to get rid of the ‘toxin,’ as when Vitamin B-12 is lowered in patients on anti-psychotic medications as the body attempts to get rid of the medication, bound to B-12 as a step in elimination. Every toxin has to be bound to an electrolyte to leave the body.”

Hamilton thinks that the overwhelming accumulation of these strings that have “nearly the strength of steel” could have caused multi-organ failure and death.

“The term amyloid has previously been employed to describe a number of pathological conditions in diseased organs, and is the cause of death in the rare genetic condition amyloidosis. It is never normal. Whether a partial accumulation of thousands of the string-like structures can cause fatigue based on decreased blood flow, brain fog, or sudden adult death is speculative, but certainly possible,” Hamilton said.

“The pathologists will need to do more detailed examinations than are routinely done to answer this question. This process for example could lead to an acute myocardial infarction with enzyme elevation in a young soccer player with no gross anatomical findings.”

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, who has been analyzing vaccine adverse reactions for about three decades, also thinks the clots have to do with amyloid proteins.

“It appears the answer is coming directly through that needle. Spike protein disease, leading to the deposition of amyloid in organs and filling up arteries and veins,” Tenpenny told The Epoch Times.

“The spike protein also interacts with platelets and fibrinogen, interfering with blood flow, also leading directly to hypercoagulation. When the spike protein was mixed with other blood proteins, the combined amyloid-like structure was resistant to the enzymes that would normally break down the clot (called impaired fibrinolysis),” she added.

“This leads to the persistence of a voluminous number of microclots in small blood vessels throughout the body called capillaries. Millions of these tiny clots effectively block the passage of red blood cells into tissues, decreasing oxygen exchange and leading to multiorgan system failure.”


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To: David Chase
You should do SubStack and get up in Kirsch’s face. You’ll be his Pubic Enemy #1 on SubStack.

Don't worry, pie face. Someone from the home office has that assignment.

BTW, does the leg humping never cease? It's like as if the Cat lady is your side piece or sumpin'. Or maybe she's in the cubicle next to yours. She will never love you. Unless you turn into a cat


341 posted on 09/05/2022 3:50:04 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: absalom01
What you have both failed to understand is that the clot shots are so deadly that they are even killing dead people.

You're absolutely right. Add in one more unknown we're all waiting for: What are the long-term effects of these shots: 5, 10, 20 years from now?

342 posted on 09/05/2022 3:58:17 PM PDT by Deaf and Discerning
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To: CatHerd; bagster; Jane Long; ransomnote

You’re engaged in circular reasoning.
“These clots are only found post-mortem”

“Hey look, I opened up the veins of people who died after the clot-shot, and I found clots.”

“They can’t have been from the clot-shots, these clots are only found post-mortem.”

Dingbat.

You’re not tall enough for the ride.

If extensive clots can kill (and they can), one has to distinguish the clots reported by these sources, unambiguously from extensive clots known to have formed before death, in those known to be free of both the COOF and to never have had significant amounts of spike protein in their system, whether from the jabs or from (say) shedding by a contact who had been jabbed.


343 posted on 09/05/2022 4:02:48 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
I wonder why these clot finder people think the clots are unusual, if they are as common and inconsequential and only formed after death like the VaxHerd propagandist says.

You'd think they'd be all like, yep, there's them old clots again. It never gets old.


344 posted on 09/05/2022 4:07:57 PM PDT by bagster ("Even bad men love their mamas".)
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To: bagster; ransomnote; Jane Long; metmom
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30383-7/fulltext

Talks about 20% incidence of Deep Vein Thrombosis among COVID sufferers.

Potentially interesting quote:

Abnormally elevated levels of proinflammatory cytokines have been found in patients infected with the novel coronavirus [[52]]. The resultant increased systemic inflammation coupled with endothelial injury triggered by attachment of the virus to the angiotensin-2 receptor of the endothelial cells and viral replication leads to a prothrombotic endothelial dysfunction [[53],[54]]. Platelet activation, immobilization, mechanical ventilation and the use of central venous catheters are other factors that contribute to a prothrombotic state in COVID-19. Earlier reports have linked coagulopathy and development of TE with an increased risk of death [[3],[52]]. Autopsy studies have provided some essential insights into this prothrombotic state in COVID-19 [[34],[44],[55]]. A recent autopsy study found that almost no organ in the body is spared of thrombosis [[56]]. Regardless of anticoagulation status and sometimes early in the disease course, significant macrovascular and microvascular thrombosis was found in multiple organs.

Immobilization, mechanical ventilation, and central venous catheters are not in common with jab recipients: but the spike protein going throughout the body (*cough*) is.

The mechanism by which the jabs cause clotting, is probably very similar to the mechanism by which COVID-1984 causes clotting: they have the spike protein in common, after all.

345 posted on 09/05/2022 4:42:06 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers; David Chase

I will ignore the silly name calling. For once you actually addressed the substance of an assertion.

You right about the usual cause of rigor mortis. In certain cases, however, it can be mimicked by coagulation:

“Certain conditions simulate rigor mortis. The conditions simulating rigor mortis are; heat stiffening, cold stiffening, gas stiffening, and cadaveric spasm. Heat stiffening is a condition seen in individuals exposed to high temperature, high voltage electrocution, or scalding due to hot liquids and is characterized by rigidity of the body due to coagulation and denaturation of the tissue proteins.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539741/

Re DVT, you got proof a thrombus can span the entire length of a leg? I have never heard of such a thing. I’d love to learn about that. Got a link?

About DVT:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16911-deep-vein-thrombosis-dvt

The reason an embolus that breaks free of a thrombus in a vein in a leg usually causes pulmonary ischemia (or coronary ischemia) is that blood flows first to the heart, then lungs for oxygenation. It would have to make it through the lungs go back through the heart again to be pumped up to the brain. It usually gets stuck in a lung.

Now atherosclerosis is a different animal. Plaque can form in the arteries of your legs and, yes the entire length of the artery. But that’s not a blood clot. It’s plaque buildup. If the plaque injures the lining of the artery, a blood clot can form there. But extend the entire length of the leg? Again, I have never heard of such a thing.

Anyway, the plaque can restrict blood flow and cause PAD, which isn’t fun. But you can’t pull the plaque stuck to the arterial walls out of a body any more than you can pull a thrombus out because they, too, adhere to the vessel walls.

Again, a thrombus adheres to the vessel wall, and its surface is rough. Postmortem clots are smooth and do not adhere to the vessel walls. That’s why he was able to pull that long, long shiny smooth clot out of the leg through an incision in the groin area: it was a postmortem clot. Even if such a long, long clot could form in life, it would be stuck to the vessel wall and he would not be able to do that. Ergo this embalmer pulling out these clots is no proof the vaccine causes such clots. They are clots that formed after death.

Re Covid and DVT. Yes, having Covid increases your risk of DVT, even long, long after you are over it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00314-0/fulltext

>>>Re your “Given that mouse model studies early on, showed the clot shots able to cross the blood-brain barrier, talk of multiple blood clots including in the brain, leading to a loss of some cognitive function”<<<

Do you mean the lipid-encapsulated mRNA in the vaccines? Or the snippets of spike protein produced by the cells that receive the mRNA “instruction sheet”? If, yes, *if* the vaccine causes blood clot formation, why would it matter whether any of its contents could cross the BBB. An ischemic stoke is usually caused by atherosclerosis or by an embolus that has broken off from a thrombus in an artery elsewhere in the body (often the carotid artery) and travelled to the brain in which case it is also called an embollic stroke. Although rare, a stroke (in this case called a hemorrhagic stroke or cerebral hemorrhage) can be caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis

https://www.healthline.com/health/stroke/embolic-stroke-symptoms

Elevated D-Dimer would be expected in a case of VITT after receiving a J&J or AstraZeneca vaccine, but VITT is rare. So he says he found it in 62%? Got a link?

https://www.tctmd.com/news/blood-clots-after-covid-19-vaccination-linked-immune-response-uk-report

Now, the vaccines might carry an elevated risk of blood clots. But this embalmer and his buddies have proved no such thing.


346 posted on 09/05/2022 5:15:43 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd

Plaque/ Calcium doesn’t move. It blocks the artery but stays at the build up location.
Embolisms……there are 2 kind, fat, or blood.
A fatty embolism usually occurs in a trauma, like a midline compound fracture of a femur. A fatty embolism can travel just like a blood embolism.

You pretty much covered it all.

Had a kid with a femur fracture……..just before I was going to give him 4mg morphine IVP he stopped breathing.
Had to manage his airway to the ER where the trauma surgery team was waiting.
Thank goodness I didn’t push the morphine or I would have dosed him with Narcan thinking it was the morphine, but would have quickly figured it out.


347 posted on 09/05/2022 5:46:35 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: CatHerd
You right about the usual cause of rigor mortis. In certain cases, however, it can be mimicked by coagulation:

Yeah. But that's not what David the Unchaste said. Troll.

Re DVT, you got proof a thrombus can span the entire length of a leg? I have never heard of such a thing. I’d love to learn about that. Got a link?

Yes I do.

But you ought to be able to find one yourself trivially.

I'll send a private copy of the link to a few other people whom you call mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorists, to keep you honest. Troll.

>i>Again, a thrombus adheres to the vessel wall, and its surface is rough. Postmortem clots are smooth and do not adhere to the vessel walls. That’s why he was able to pull that long, long shiny smooth clot out of the leg through an incision in the groin area: it was a postmortem clot. Even if such a long, long clot could form in life, it would be stuck to the vessel wall and he would not be able to do that. Ergo this embalmer pulling out these clots is no proof the vaccine causes such clots. They are clots that formed after death.

Odd thing, that. You didn't mention that while wanking off over "chicken fat clots" which were merely unsourced, unverified photographs. But you still acted like the mere appearance in the photographs was dispositive. Troll.

Elevated D-Dimer would be expected in a case of VITT after receiving a J&J or AstraZeneca vaccine, but VITT is rare. So he says he found it in 62%? Got a link?

This was posted widely on the clot-shot threads (or, maybe, Q threads, I don't remember). https://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=364941 One of you Pfauci_Pfanclub types airily said that "oh well, elevated d-Dimer can result from lots of things, like cancer." ...except cancer also leads to widespread clotting, now and then, so six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.

348 posted on 09/05/2022 5:51:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CatHerd

Nice try aholll. But its clear you are just here for the 5 cents a word you collect. Your arguments are so pathetic they don’t require responses. So,don’t post to me anymore.


349 posted on 09/05/2022 5:52:57 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: reformedliberal

I’m starting to get it. Similar to what I thought,thanks very much.


350 posted on 09/05/2022 5:55:47 PM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT)
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To: CatHerd

There is a whole process to rigor.
I dumbed it down because if I speak overly techie I’m called a liar.

It’s cause is muscular but begins with enzymes being released…..lack of O2 and no movement of whole blood.

We were speaking about blood clots.
Anybody can look something up.
I wish they would do it when they read about Cobra Venom being in the vaccines.
Guess if I said there was Snake venom, Johnny on the spots would find out there isn’t.
Perhaps that’s how I should play it going forward. Repeat insane claims and have them prove me wrong.

Most of FreeRepublic think the Q anti-Vaxxers are loons as I see the same people infesting and posting these threads.

Yes I’m on large doses of steroids for my back and they’re making me an angry white man.
That’s all.


351 posted on 09/05/2022 5:57:43 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: absalom01

I already died once.
Apparently I’m hard to kill.


352 posted on 09/05/2022 6:01:00 PM PDT by David Chase
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To: CatHerd
>>>Re your “Given that mouse model studies early on, showed the clot shots able to cross the blood-brain barrier, talk of multiple blood clots including in the brain, leading to a loss of some cognitive function”<<<

Do you mean the lipid-encapsulated mRNA in the vaccines? Or the snippets of spike protein produced by the cells that receive the mRNA “instruction sheet”? If, yes, *if* the vaccine causes blood clot formation, why would it matter whether any of its contents could cross the BBB. An ischemic stoke is usually caused by atherosclerosis or by an embolus that has broken off from a thrombus in an artery elsewhere in the body (often the carotid artery) and travelled to the brain in which case it is also called an embollic stroke. Although rare, a stroke (in this case called a hemorrhagic stroke or cerebral hemorrhage) can be caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.

Either one; early mouse model studies on the lipid nanoparticles showed them crossing the blood-brain barrier; so any cells which uptake the mRNA (including endothelial cells lining the blood vessels) would present spike protein by design. And of course, studies on the jabbed showed free spike protein in the blood after injections, and the CDC quietly erased its claim the spike protein doesn't last long in the body.

Oooh, almost forgot: TROLL

353 posted on 09/05/2022 6:04:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Apparently, either you cannot read, refuse to read, or you are being wilfully obtuse.

Blood clots formed before death adhere to the vessel walls and have a rough surface. Here are the links *againn*:

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“A postmortem clot (E-Fig. 1-5) can be distinguished from an antemortem thrombus by its smooth shiny surface and lack of lamination or attachment to the endothelial surface of the vessel. However, depending on the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, a postmortem clot can organize within a vessel just as within a test tube, with erythrocytes at the bottom separated by a “buffy coat” of leukocytes from the serum at the top. The resemblance of clotted serum to avian adipose tissue has garnered the name of “chicken fat clot” for this postmortem clot that is often seen in horses because of their high erythrocyte sedimentation rate. Inflammation can accelerate the sedimentation rate. Anticoagulants or hereditary coagulopathies can delay or prevent postmortem clotting of blood.”

Link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/livor-mortis
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Also here:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18243759/

Re your If extensive clots can kill (and they can), one has to distinguish the clots reported by these sources, unambiguously from extensive clots known to have formed before death, in those known to be free of both the COOF and to never have had significant amounts of spike protein in their system, whether from the jabs or from (say) shedding by a contact who had been jabbed.

This is difficult to parse. Syntax off much? I gather you again assert that that three-foot long clots can form in a living person, but offer no proof. No links, no nothing, just your word for it.

Again, the clots the embalmer removed were not stuck to the vessel walls, were easily pulled out, conformed to the shape of the blood vessel, were rubbery and/or gelatinous and had a smooth shiny surface. All the characteristics of postmortem clots, not antemortem thrombi.

354 posted on 09/05/2022 6:09:27 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd
This is difficult to parse. Syntax off much? I gather you again assert that that three-foot long clots can form in a living person, but offer no proof. No links, no nothing, just your word for it.

Suck it dry, troll.

https://scarysymptoms.com/2013/04/how-long-length-can-dvt-be/

This site does not allow copy-and-paste, so I'll type in 1 paragraph by hand.

"In terms of length or extent of a DVT, they can range from those that are very focal (a couple of mm only) to extensive clot throughout the length of the leg, and even into the iliac veins and inferior vena cava," says Paul Lucas, MD, surgeon with the Vascular Center and director of the Vascular Laboratory at Mercy Hospital in Baltimore.

https://vascularcme.com/2016/01/15/how-big-are-blood-clots/

What the patient or clinician may not understand is that this patient may have blood clots from the calf extending above the knee or into the pelvis and/or abdomen. These larger blood clots are obviously deadly if the travel, but also have clinical signs that are easy to identify. Large obstructive thrombus in the iliac or femoral veins (ilio-femoral) can cause a condition that is called phlegmasia alba dolens or milk leg as the extremity will have a white milky appearance along with swelling and pain. If the thrombus extends into the smaller tributary veins as well a very serious condition called phlegmasia cerulea dolens can occur. There is pronounced edema and sever cyanosis of the limb (blue color). In rare cases venous gangrene occurs. The largest demographic for these larger blood clots are those in their 50’s and 60’s. Cancer is the most common triggering factor; however there are other risk factors.

These larger blood clots often when not diagnosed are fatal. I have had a patient walk in the door with a blood clot extending from the calf all the way to the mid abdomen (IVC). Recently a California man had a 24 in. or 60 cm. clot removed via a device called an AngioVac. The thrombus extended from his legs into the heart. There are several such devices on the market; these types of advancements have increased the effectiveness of treatment for larger blood clots. For blood clots or DVT that are not obstructive in the thigh or pelvis the use of anticoagulation drugs (blood thinners) is common. We will talk about the various kinds of blood thinners available in another blog.


355 posted on 09/05/2022 6:27:22 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: CatHerd; bagster; ransomnote; Jane Long; metmom
“A postmortem clot (E-Fig. 1-5) can be distinguished from an antemortem thrombus by its smooth shiny surface and lack of lamination or attachment to the endothelial surface of the vessel. However, depending on the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, a postmortem clot can organize within a vessel just as within a test tube, with erythrocytes at the bottom separated by a “buffy coat” of leukocytes from the serum at the top. The resemblance of clotted serum to avian adipose tissue has garnered the name of “chicken fat clot” for this postmortem clot that is often seen in horses because of their high erythrocyte sedimentation rate. Inflammation can accelerate the sedimentation rate. Anticoagulants or hereditary coagulopathies can delay or prevent postmortem clotting of blood.”

I've been waiting a long time for this one.


356 posted on 09/05/2022 6:33:53 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
I'll send a private copy of the link to a few other people whom you call mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorists, to keep you honest. Troll. [bold mine]

If you have such a link, you should post it here. I have never called anyone a "mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorist". I have asked you before to stop claiming I have written things here that I have not. So just stop.

Re your Odd thing, that. You didn't mention that while wanking off over "chicken fat clots" which were merely unsourced, unverified photographs. But you still acted like the mere appearance in the photographs was dispositive. Troll.

In my post #308, after posting the photos (and link to website they appeared on, more than you ever do), I wrote "If you did not already, you will have to click on the FR links I gave above to learn about the differences between antemortem and postmortem clots and that yes, chicken fat clots are rubbery!" The links to an older post gave that information.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4090724/posts?page=308#308

Ref the bolded bit: that is over the line and not the first time you have made disgusting sexual remarks in posts to me. I asked you earlier to stop. Just stop with the name calling, stop with the nastiness, stop claiming I wrote things on FR I never did, stop trying to start a flame war with me. If you cannot stop, then don't post to me at all. I don't allow talk like that disgusting phrase you used in my presence in real life, and Jim Robinson does not like to see it on FR (and you well know I am a lady and have made remarks about my being female).

357 posted on 09/05/2022 6:49:57 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: Admin Moderator; grey_whiskers

I intended to ping Admin Moderator in my last post #357. Apologies for the goof.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4090724/posts?page=357#357


358 posted on 09/05/2022 6:53:32 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thanks for the link. Eww. That is horrible. But I am glad to learn about it. Those people are so lucky no bits broke off those clots and got to their lungs.

It does not change the fact that the clots the embalmer removed were postmortem clots, however.


359 posted on 09/05/2022 6:57:08 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: bagster; Admin Moderator

I asked you to stop posting to me quite a few times. Including here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4088543/posts?page=81#81

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4088543/posts?page=83#83

I am weary of your numerous posts with that annoying GIF that offer nothing productive to the discussion at hand.


360 posted on 09/05/2022 7:06:22 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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