Embalmers Have Been Finding Numerous Long, Fibrous Clots That Lack Post-Mortem Characteristics

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[bagster]

You should do SubStack and get up in Kirsch’s face. You’ll be his Pubic Enemy #1 on SubStack.

Don't worry, pie face. Someone from the home office has that assignment.

BTW, does the leg humping never cease? It's like as if the Cat lady is your side piece or sumpin'. Or maybe she's in the cubicle next to yours. She will never love you. Unless you turn into a cat

[Deaf and Discerning]

What you have both failed to understand is that the clot shots are so deadly that they are even killing dead people.

You're absolutely right. Add in one more unknown we're all waiting for: What are the long-term effects of these shots: 5, 10, 20 years from now?

[grey_whiskers]

You’re engaged in circular reasoning.
“These clots are only found post-mortem”

“Hey look, I opened up the veins of people who died after the clot-shot, and I found clots.”

“They can’t have been from the clot-shots, these clots are only found post-mortem.”

Dingbat.

You’re not tall enough for the ride.

If extensive clots can kill (and they can), one has to distinguish the clots reported by these sources, unambiguously from extensive clots known to have formed before death, in those known to be free of both the COOF and to never have had significant amounts of spike protein in their system, whether from the jabs or from (say) shedding by a contact who had been jabbed.

[bagster]

I wonder why these clot finder people think the clots are unusual, if they are as common and inconsequential and only formed after death like the VaxHerd propagandist says.

You'd think they'd be all like, yep, there's them old clots again. It never gets old.

[grey_whiskers]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30383-7/fulltext

Talks about 20% incidence of Deep Vein Thrombosis among COVID sufferers.

Potentially interesting quote:

Abnormally elevated levels of proinflammatory cytokines have been found in patients infected with the novel coronavirus [[52]]. The resultant increased systemic inflammation coupled with endothelial injury triggered by attachment of the virus to the angiotensin-2 receptor of the endothelial cells and viral replication leads to a prothrombotic endothelial dysfunction [[53],[54]]. Platelet activation, immobilization, mechanical ventilation and the use of central venous catheters are other factors that contribute to a prothrombotic state in COVID-19. Earlier reports have linked coagulopathy and development of TE with an increased risk of death [[3],[52]]. Autopsy studies have provided some essential insights into this prothrombotic state in COVID-19 [[34],[44],[55]]. A recent autopsy study found that almost no organ in the body is spared of thrombosis [[56]]. Regardless of anticoagulation status and sometimes early in the disease course, significant macrovascular and microvascular thrombosis was found in multiple organs.

Immobilization, mechanical ventilation, and central venous catheters are not in common with jab recipients: but the spike protein going throughout the body (*cough*) is.

The mechanism by which the jabs cause clotting, is probably very similar to the mechanism by which COVID-1984 causes clotting: they have the spike protein in common, after all.

[CatHerd]

I will ignore the silly name calling. For once you actually addressed the substance of an assertion.

You right about the usual cause of rigor mortis. In certain cases, however, it can be mimicked by coagulation:

“Certain conditions simulate rigor mortis. The conditions simulating rigor mortis are; heat stiffening, cold stiffening, gas stiffening, and cadaveric spasm. Heat stiffening is a condition seen in individuals exposed to high temperature, high voltage electrocution, or scalding due to hot liquids and is characterized by rigidity of the body due to coagulation and denaturation of the tissue proteins.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539741/

Re DVT, you got proof a thrombus can span the entire length of a leg? I have never heard of such a thing. I’d love to learn about that. Got a link?

About DVT:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16911-deep-vein-thrombosis-dvt

The reason an embolus that breaks free of a thrombus in a vein in a leg usually causes pulmonary ischemia (or coronary ischemia) is that blood flows first to the heart, then lungs for oxygenation. It would have to make it through the lungs go back through the heart again to be pumped up to the brain. It usually gets stuck in a lung.

Now atherosclerosis is a different animal. Plaque can form in the arteries of your legs and, yes the entire length of the artery. But that’s not a blood clot. It’s plaque buildup. If the plaque injures the lining of the artery, a blood clot can form there. But extend the entire length of the leg? Again, I have never heard of such a thing.

Anyway, the plaque can restrict blood flow and cause PAD, which isn’t fun. But you can’t pull the plaque stuck to the arterial walls out of a body any more than you can pull a thrombus out because they, too, adhere to the vessel walls.

Again, a thrombus adheres to the vessel wall, and its surface is rough. Postmortem clots are smooth and do not adhere to the vessel walls. That’s why he was able to pull that long, long shiny smooth clot out of the leg through an incision in the groin area: it was a postmortem clot. Even if such a long, long clot could form in life, it would be stuck to the vessel wall and he would not be able to do that. Ergo this embalmer pulling out these clots is no proof the vaccine causes such clots. They are clots that formed after death.

Re Covid and DVT. Yes, having Covid increases your risk of DVT, even long, long after you are over it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00314-0/fulltext

>>>Re your “Given that mouse model studies early on, showed the clot shots able to cross the blood-brain barrier, talk of multiple blood clots including in the brain, leading to a loss of some cognitive function”<<<

Do you mean the lipid-encapsulated mRNA in the vaccines? Or the snippets of spike protein produced by the cells that receive the mRNA “instruction sheet”? If, yes, *if* the vaccine causes blood clot formation, why would it matter whether any of its contents could cross the BBB. An ischemic stoke is usually caused by atherosclerosis or by an embolus that has broken off from a thrombus in an artery elsewhere in the body (often the carotid artery) and travelled to the brain in which case it is also called an embollic stroke. Although rare, a stroke (in this case called a hemorrhagic stroke or cerebral hemorrhage) can be caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis

https://www.healthline.com/health/stroke/embolic-stroke-symptoms

Elevated D-Dimer would be expected in a case of VITT after receiving a J&J or AstraZeneca vaccine, but VITT is rare. So he says he found it in 62%? Got a link?

https://www.tctmd.com/news/blood-clots-after-covid-19-vaccination-linked-immune-response-uk-report

Now, the vaccines might carry an elevated risk of blood clots. But this embalmer and his buddies have proved no such thing.

[David Chase]

Plaque/ Calcium doesn’t move. It blocks the artery but stays at the build up location.
Embolisms……there are 2 kind, fat, or blood.
A fatty embolism usually occurs in a trauma, like a midline compound fracture of a femur. A fatty embolism can travel just like a blood embolism.

You pretty much covered it all.

Had a kid with a femur fracture……..just before I was going to give him 4mg morphine IVP he stopped breathing.
Had to manage his airway to the ER where the trauma surgery team was waiting.
Thank goodness I didn’t push the morphine or I would have dosed him with Narcan thinking it was the morphine, but would have quickly figured it out.

[grey_whiskers]

You right about the usual cause of rigor mortis. In certain cases, however, it can be mimicked by coagulation:

Yeah. But that's not what David the Unchaste said. Troll.

Re DVT, you got proof a thrombus can span the entire length of a leg? I have never heard of such a thing. I’d love to learn about that. Got a link?

Yes I do.

But you ought to be able to find one yourself trivially.

I'll send a private copy of the link to a few other people whom you call mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorists, to keep you honest. Troll.

>i>Again, a thrombus adheres to the vessel wall, and its surface is rough. Postmortem clots are smooth and do not adhere to the vessel walls. That’s why he was able to pull that long, long shiny smooth clot out of the leg through an incision in the groin area: it was a postmortem clot. Even if such a long, long clot could form in life, it would be stuck to the vessel wall and he would not be able to do that. Ergo this embalmer pulling out these clots is no proof the vaccine causes such clots. They are clots that formed after death.

Odd thing, that. You didn't mention that while wanking off over "chicken fat clots" which were merely unsourced, unverified photographs. But you still acted like the mere appearance in the photographs was dispositive. Troll.

Elevated D-Dimer would be expected in a case of VITT after receiving a J&J or AstraZeneca vaccine, but VITT is rare. So he says he found it in 62%? Got a link?

This was posted widely on the clot-shot threads (or, maybe, Q threads, I don't remember). https://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=364941 One of you Pfauci_Pfanclub types airily said that "oh well, elevated d-Dimer can result from lots of things, like cancer." ...except cancer also leads to widespread clotting, now and then, so six of one, half-a-dozen of the other.

[rodguy911]

Nice try aholll. But its clear you are just here for the 5 cents a word you collect. Your arguments are so pathetic they don’t require responses. So,don’t post to me anymore.

[rodguy911]

I’m starting to get it. Similar to what I thought,thanks very much.

[David Chase]

There is a whole process to rigor.
I dumbed it down because if I speak overly techie I’m called a liar.

It’s cause is muscular but begins with enzymes being released…..lack of O2 and no movement of whole blood.

We were speaking about blood clots.
Anybody can look something up.
I wish they would do it when they read about Cobra Venom being in the vaccines.
Guess if I said there was Snake venom, Johnny on the spots would find out there isn’t.
Perhaps that’s how I should play it going forward. Repeat insane claims and have them prove me wrong.

Most of FreeRepublic think the Q anti-Vaxxers are loons as I see the same people infesting and posting these threads.

Yes I’m on large doses of steroids for my back and they’re making me an angry white man.
That’s all.

[David Chase]

I already died once.
Apparently I’m hard to kill.

[grey_whiskers]

>>>Re your “Given that mouse model studies early on, showed the clot shots able to cross the blood-brain barrier, talk of multiple blood clots including in the brain, leading to a loss of some cognitive function”<<<

Do you mean the lipid-encapsulated mRNA in the vaccines? Or the snippets of spike protein produced by the cells that receive the mRNA “instruction sheet”? If, yes, *if* the vaccine causes blood clot formation, why would it matter whether any of its contents could cross the BBB. An ischemic stoke is usually caused by atherosclerosis or by an embolus that has broken off from a thrombus in an artery elsewhere in the body (often the carotid artery) and travelled to the brain in which case it is also called an embollic stroke. Although rare, a stroke (in this case called a hemorrhagic stroke or cerebral hemorrhage) can be caused by cerebral venous sinus thrombosis.

Either one; early mouse model studies on the lipid nanoparticles showed them crossing the blood-brain barrier; so any cells which uptake the mRNA (including endothelial cells lining the blood vessels) would present spike protein by design. And of course, studies on the jabbed showed free spike protein in the blood after injections, and the CDC quietly erased its claim the spike protein doesn't last long in the body.

Oooh, almost forgot: TROLL

[CatHerd]

Apparently, either you cannot read, refuse to read, or you are being wilfully obtuse.

Blood clots formed before death adhere to the vessel walls and have a rough surface. Here are the links *againn*:

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“A postmortem clot (E-Fig. 1-5) can be distinguished from an antemortem thrombus by its smooth shiny surface and lack of lamination or attachment to the endothelial surface of the vessel. However, depending on the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, a postmortem clot can organize within a vessel just as within a test tube, with erythrocytes at the bottom separated by a “buffy coat” of leukocytes from the serum at the top. The resemblance of clotted serum to avian adipose tissue has garnered the name of “chicken fat clot” for this postmortem clot that is often seen in horses because of their high erythrocyte sedimentation rate. Inflammation can accelerate the sedimentation rate. Anticoagulants or hereditary coagulopathies can delay or prevent postmortem clotting of blood.”

Link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/livor-mortis
*****

Also here:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18243759/

Re your If extensive clots can kill (and they can), one has to distinguish the clots reported by these sources, unambiguously from extensive clots known to have formed before death, in those known to be free of both the COOF and to never have had significant amounts of spike protein in their system, whether from the jabs or from (say) shedding by a contact who had been jabbed.

This is difficult to parse. Syntax off much? I gather you again assert that that three-foot long clots can form in a living person, but offer no proof. No links, no nothing, just your word for it.

Again, the clots the embalmer removed were not stuck to the vessel walls, were easily pulled out, conformed to the shape of the blood vessel, were rubbery and/or gelatinous and had a smooth shiny surface. All the characteristics of postmortem clots, not antemortem thrombi.

[grey_whiskers]

This is difficult to parse. Syntax off much? I gather you again assert that that three-foot long clots can form in a living person, but offer no proof. No links, no nothing, just your word for it.

Suck it dry, troll.

https://scarysymptoms.com/2013/04/how-long-length-can-dvt-be/

This site does not allow copy-and-paste, so I'll type in 1 paragraph by hand.

"In terms of length or extent of a DVT, they can range from those that are very focal (a couple of mm only) to extensive clot throughout the length of the leg, and even into the iliac veins and inferior vena cava," says Paul Lucas, MD, surgeon with the Vascular Center and director of the Vascular Laboratory at Mercy Hospital in Baltimore.

https://vascularcme.com/2016/01/15/how-big-are-blood-clots/

What the patient or clinician may not understand is that this patient may have blood clots from the calf extending above the knee or into the pelvis and/or abdomen. These larger blood clots are obviously deadly if the travel, but also have clinical signs that are easy to identify. Large obstructive thrombus in the iliac or femoral veins (ilio-femoral) can cause a condition that is called phlegmasia alba dolens or milk leg as the extremity will have a white milky appearance along with swelling and pain. If the thrombus extends into the smaller tributary veins as well a very serious condition called phlegmasia cerulea dolens can occur. There is pronounced edema and sever cyanosis of the limb (blue color). In rare cases venous gangrene occurs. The largest demographic for these larger blood clots are those in their 50’s and 60’s. Cancer is the most common triggering factor; however there are other risk factors.

These larger blood clots often when not diagnosed are fatal. I have had a patient walk in the door with a blood clot extending from the calf all the way to the mid abdomen (IVC). Recently a California man had a 24 in. or 60 cm. clot removed via a device called an AngioVac. The thrombus extended from his legs into the heart. There are several such devices on the market; these types of advancements have increased the effectiveness of treatment for larger blood clots. For blood clots or DVT that are not obstructive in the thigh or pelvis the use of anticoagulation drugs (blood thinners) is common. We will talk about the various kinds of blood thinners available in another blog.

[grey_whiskers]

“A postmortem clot (E-Fig. 1-5) can be distinguished from an antemortem thrombus by its smooth shiny surface and lack of lamination or attachment to the endothelial surface of the vessel. However, depending on the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, a postmortem clot can organize within a vessel just as within a test tube, with erythrocytes at the bottom separated by a “buffy coat” of leukocytes from the serum at the top. The resemblance of clotted serum to avian adipose tissue has garnered the name of “chicken fat clot” for this postmortem clot that is often seen in horses because of their high erythrocyte sedimentation rate. Inflammation can accelerate the sedimentation rate. Anticoagulants or hereditary coagulopathies can delay or prevent postmortem clotting of blood.”

I've been waiting a long time for this one.

[CatHerd]

I'll send a private copy of the link to a few other people whom you call mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorists, to keep you honest. Troll. [bold mine]

If you have such a link, you should post it here. I have never called anyone a "mindless Q-bot conspiracy theorist". I have asked you before to stop claiming I have written things here that I have not. So just stop.

Re your Odd thing, that. You didn't mention that while wanking off over "chicken fat clots" which were merely unsourced, unverified photographs. But you still acted like the mere appearance in the photographs was dispositive. Troll.

In my post #308, after posting the photos (and link to website they appeared on, more than you ever do), I wrote "If you did not already, you will have to click on the FR links I gave above to learn about the differences between antemortem and postmortem clots and that yes, chicken fat clots are rubbery!" The links to an older post gave that information.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4090724/posts?page=308#308

Ref the bolded bit: that is over the line and not the first time you have made disgusting sexual remarks in posts to me. I asked you earlier to stop. Just stop with the name calling, stop with the nastiness, stop claiming I wrote things on FR I never did, stop trying to start a flame war with me. If you cannot stop, then don't post to me at all. I don't allow talk like that disgusting phrase you used in my presence in real life, and Jim Robinson does not like to see it on FR (and you well know I am a lady and have made remarks about my being female).

[CatHerd]

I intended to ping Admin Moderator in my last post #357. Apologies for the goof.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4090724/posts?page=357#357

[CatHerd]

Thanks for the link. Eww. That is horrible. But I am glad to learn about it. Those people are so lucky no bits broke off those clots and got to their lungs.

It does not change the fact that the clots the embalmer removed were postmortem clots, however.

[CatHerd]

I asked you to stop posting to me quite a few times. Including here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4088543/posts?page=81#81

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4088543/posts?page=83#83

I am weary of your numerous posts with that annoying GIF that offer nothing productive to the discussion at hand.