Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Petrosius; delta7; Chunga85; Kazan; NorseViking; Cathi; JonPreston; Travis McGee; WMarshal; ...

You wrote:

“How much longer are you going to justify the Russian invasion on the so-called coup? Yanukovych was removed from office by the democratically elected parliament after he had fled from the country. In the meantime there have been two free elections. Zelensky was voted into office by an overwhelming majority, including in those areas of Donbas that could freely participate.

As for the so-called referendum held in Donbas, it was held under military occupation by Russian surrogates. Even so, the referendum was for autonomy, not for independence or union with Russia. There have been no referenda in the provinces of Kherson and Zaporizhzhya, which have ethnic populations of 82% and 71% respectively.”

So...how long are you going to deny the fact that WE engineered the circumstances, including the extensive involvement of Neonazi elements in inciting and carrying out the critical acts of violence, that led to the chaos that led Yanokovych to leave? It’s public record, and the Neocons haven’t been quiet about their role. It was the same violence that cowed the parliament. There is no question that the US was running the operation using Victoria Nuland as its operative on the scene, down to selecting the coup government leaders. This was no “so-called” coup. We did it, along with help from others such as Soros and Kolomoyski.

The subsequent elections were not “free”. The Neonazi elements have acted as important “enforcers” in the military and civilian population ever since. The Neonazi atrocity at the Hall of Trade Unions in Odessa, for example, was used to signal what would happen to dissenters in the future. To the extent Zelensky had popular support in the west of Ukraine, it was because he ran on a “peace platform”. He either was lying during the campaign or wasn’t strong enough to resist the NATO and Neonazi warmongers. It doesn’t matter which, because he is now complicit in using the AFU as nothing more than cannon fodder.

While it is clear that the Donbass would have settled for a solution rather like Quebec in Canada even up to Minsk II, which the DPR, LPR, and the RF accepted, the walk-away by Kiev (forced by the West) has sealed the end of the career of the Soviet created administrative area called “the Ukraine” as the nation state known as “Ukraine”.

Ukraine existed peacefully with the West and the RF until the actions of the Obama and Biden administrations converted it into a pawn for a war of NATO aggression toward the RF. We, along with NATO, not the RF, are responsible for this war. Even now, the Neocons are fantasizing that if they can draw this out into a war of attrition through military actions and sanctions that they can the cripple RF and force a regime change in the RF, as they did in 2014 in Kiev. It isn’t close to working. Instead, the regime change is probably going to occur throughout the European NATO countries. 70k protestors are now in Prague demanding that the government stop supporting this criminal war, make the Czech Republic neutral, and repair relations with the RF. The people of Italy and the Netherlands have also been demonstrating over the same or similar issues. More is coming. I only hope that the regime change extends to the the Benito Biden regime.

As for your apparent belief that “ethnic affiliation” is somehow the sole determinant of how people will vote, even you should recognize that people vote for many other reasons. While ethnic Russians don’t want to live under the Azov/Right Sector/Svoboda;OUN/Banderite riddled Kiev coup government, they and others may well see the RF as providing more security, far better economic prospects, a way of avoiding GloboHomo, and a less corrupt society. What matters is how they see it, not how you and the Neocons view the situation.

So, go beat your war drums and act as an apologist for the criminal activity in the Ukraine by the Obama/Biden administrations. Play on the antique prejudices of the thoughtless and the elderly here, and amplify the noise of the trolls. You can’t escape reality, and in this case both the military and moral cases are heavily in favor of the people of the Donbass and the RF.


36 posted on 09/03/2022 2:24:58 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]


To: achilles2000

The end of Ukraine is known by EVERYONE, even their biggest Neocon Cheerleaders.

And it is a shame - they had a chance at peaceful coexistence, but they were more useful as a battering-ram to weaken and then dismember Russia.

Well, Russia neither wanted the ‘Serbian’ treatment, nor were they so weak as to have no choice. So now, Ukraine, once a great country, with great people and resources, will soon be carved up amongst a number of countries and whatever is left calling itself Ukraine will be a corrupt, poverty-stricken, non-entity on the world stage.

...and they can thank the Neocons and their puppets in Europe for that outcome.


37 posted on 09/03/2022 2:33:06 PM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies ]

To: achilles2000
for the criminal activity in the Ukraine by the Obama/Biden administrations

Note the hole in between the administrations, where Obama's embedded werewolves attempted to use The Ukraine to impeach and remove the enemy of the neocons and globalists, President MAGA Trump.

40 posted on 09/03/2022 3:29:25 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies ]

To: achilles2000

I believe you sent this to the wrong party. I loathe the pitiful Ukie morons and even more, their paid propagandists and useful idiots.


44 posted on 09/03/2022 3:51:17 PM PDT by Gottfried
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson