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Why didn't Trump give the documents back when the National Archives first asked for them last year?
Hotair ^ | 8/25/2022 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/25/2022 9:00:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Watch Dan Crenshaw do his level best a few days ago to defend Trump’s decision to withhold documents from the feds.

Dan Crenshaw’s appearance on CNN is off to a shaky start pic.twitter.com/xzbqiuyGFd

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) August 21, 2022

Trump has been cooperative, Crenshaw insists, so why didn’t the FBI just politely ask him to return the remaining documents he had?

But as we’re finding out, he actually hasn’t been cooperative. And he was asked to return the material in his possession — many times, including via a grand jury subpoena. Why didn’t he?

The latest scoop comes from WaPo, which obtained an email sent by the top lawyer at the National Archives to Trump’s team in *May 2021* requesting the return of two dozen boxes of documents. According to that email, Trump’s own White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, had designated the material in the boxes as government property that properly belonged to the Archives in the final days of Trump’s presidency. Even his own lawyers concluded that he had no right to retain the papers, in other words. And the Archives had been nagging him for fully 15 months to please just hand them over before the FBI showed up at Mar-a-Lago.

Why didn’t he?

“It is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the Residence of the White House over the course of President Trump’s last year in office and have not been transferred to NARA, despite a determination by Pat Cipollone in the final days of the administration that they need to be,” wrote Gary Stern, the agency’s chief counsel, in an email to Trump lawyers in May 2021, according to a copy reviewed by The Washington Post…

Stern cites at least two high-profile documents that the Archives knew at the time were missing — letters from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and a letter from former president Barack Obama at the beginning of Trump’s presidency…

Throughout the fall of 2021, Stern continued to urge multiple Trump advisers to help the Archives get the records back, according to people familiar with the conversations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations. Trump only decided to give some of the documents back after Stern told Trump officials that the Archives would soon have to notify Congress, and Stern told Trump advisers that he did not want to escalate and notify Congress, these people said.

Cipollone didn’t respond when WaPo asked him to confirm that he had determined that the records in the boxes should be sent to the Archives, not to Mar-a-Lago. But it would be very surprising if Stern had made that detail up or was misinformed about a fact that basic before sending a letter to a former president requesting the return of sensitive documents.

Follow the timeline here:

May 2021: The Archives, via Stern, asks for the documents back.
Fall 2021: The Archives, via Stern, keeps asking.
January 2022: The Archives, via Stern, threatens to involve Congress, spurring Trump to finally return some documents.
April 2022: After looking through the documents and discovering classified material, the Archives informs Trump that it’s now a national security matter and the FBI will need to get involved.
May 2022: The Archives, via acting director Debra Steidel Wall, tells Trump’s team that she’s tired of them stalling on their claim of executive privilege to try to bar the FBI from reviewing the documents and informs them that she’s rejecting their claim.
May 2022: The next day, Trump’s team receives a grand jury subpoena seeking the return of any other classified documents.
June 2022: Trump’s lawyers meet with the FBI to turn over more documents and sign a statement attesting that there’s no more classified material in Trump’s possession.
June 2022: Later that month, Trump’s team receives a new subpoena requesting surveillance video from Mar-a-Lago of the room where the documents are stored. The video allegedly shows “various people entering and leaving the room.”
August 8, 2022: Suspicious that classified material is still being stored on the premises despite 15 months of trying to get it back, the FBI conducts a search of Mar-a-Lago. According to the inventory of items provided to Trump afterward, they recover 11 sets of classified documents including some marked “top secret/SCI.”

They spent 15 months trying to do this the easy way. Trump wouldn’t let them. If, contra the determinations made by the Archives and Cipollone, he wanted to challenge the claim that the documents in his possession rightly belonged to him rather than the government, why didn’t he go to court early in this process? At the very least, why didn’t he challenge the first subpoena issued in May of this year?

Former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy is watching this play out with growing unease. MAGA media has been harping on the fact that Steidel Wall, in her letter to Trump’s lawyers in May, acknowledged that the White House has been involved in this process. But the White House had no choice in that, McCarthy notes: Under federal law, once a former president asserts executive privilege over documents, the Archives *must* consult with the current president to see if he wants to honor the privilege claim of his predecessor. In this case, Biden deferred to Steidel Wall to make the decision, evidently not wanting to insert himself into the matter. It was Trump who dragged Biden into this by asserting privilege, says McCarthy.

He arrives at the key point:

For those of us who remain skeptical about whether the drastic measure of a search warrant was really necessary (especially given the FBI and DOJ’s evident lack of urgency in the months after Trump’s surrender of the 15 boxes in January 2022), these revelations require grappling with a hard question: Given that the former president was not responsibly securing the government’s most closely held intelligence, that he was trying to prevent the FBI from examining what he’d returned, that his lawyers were either misinformed about or lying about the classified information still retained at Mar-a-Lago, and that even the issuance of a grand-jury subpoena (with potential criminal penalties for noncompliance) had not succeeded in getting Trump to hand over the remaining classified information, what option short of a search warrant would have sufficed?

What was the DOJ supposed to do after 15 months of polite requests to get back “top secret/SCI” information that the former president wasn’t supposed to have and hadn’t properly secured?

I’ll leave you with this, in which a not-at-all nervous Trump manically posts about losing control of the documents on his new social-media platform. Remember as you read it that he wants you to believe he’s trying to turn down the heat of political passions surrounding the search.



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To: kvanbrunt2

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Are you Crazy?

I think the statutes say Every President not named Donald Trump has sole Unconstrained authority on all aspects, including Classification, destruction, storage, and non storage of all records in any form known to man, and most not known to man.

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21 posted on 08/25/2022 11:27:23 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano (Lindsey Graham: How can anyone be Mad at Joe Biden?)
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To: Fido969

“allahpundit” is a POS that should go die in a ditch....


22 posted on 08/25/2022 11:31:03 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." )
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To: SeekAndFind
Why didn't Trump give the documents back when the National Archives first asked for them last year?

Because he didn't have to. He alone had the power to determine what are personal records and what are public, per the ruling of an Obama judge in the Clinton tape case.

23 posted on 08/25/2022 11:32:19 PM PDT by TheCipher ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

Why didn’t all the peasants in the USSR just turn over their food when they were asked, instead of making the chekas come and take them forcefully after killing them?


24 posted on 08/25/2022 11:36:12 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: zzeeman

Well he’s out of his job at Hotair as of 9/2, so we have that to look forward to.


25 posted on 08/25/2022 11:44:57 PM PDT by CaptainK ("If life's really hard, at least its short")
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To: SeekAndFind

>>he wants you to believe he’s trying to turn down the heat of political passions surrounding the search.

Why should he act like a gutless rear-guard prog, and turn down the heat, when the heat must be turned up?


26 posted on 08/26/2022 12:09:19 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: CaptainK
Next Friday.

Beautiful.

27 posted on 08/26/2022 12:16:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: CaptainK

Agreed, that is a bit of solace...


28 posted on 08/26/2022 12:36:02 AM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." )
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To: TheCipher
Because he didn't have to. He alone had the power to determine what are personal records and what are public, per the ruling of an Obama judge in the Clinton tape case.

Don't confuse them with the facts when there's a narrative the nation's collective psyche needs to believe. Time's short and there's elections needing subverting. And for Fauci's sake take your shots and put your mask back on.

Seriously though, if any Democrat former President were hounded like Trump the press would make a classic "CNN 24/7 Crisis Coverage" out of it until the government was forced to re-correct. This tells us how lame (or corrupt) the Republican Party is not standing up for the man - like him or not. Only an idiot can't see how the people are still behind him after all the RINO defeats to new MAGA candidates.

Even Graham jumped back on the Trump Train after his windfinger told him to. Unfortunately services for McConnell's leadership have yet to be scheduled and are still pending while he's stuck up on a Made in China post. On lieu of flowers...

29 posted on 08/26/2022 12:38:50 AM PDT by MikelTackNailer (It's time to Build Gallows Back Better.)
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To: Eagles6

Exactly…


30 posted on 08/26/2022 12:48:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why didn’t they ask Obama to return any of the 30,000 documents he took when he left Washington?

Why hasn’t there been any official interest or investigation of the 33,000 emails that Hillary Clinton illegally deleted?


31 posted on 08/26/2022 12:49:06 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Those Dummer Vacations Don't Pay For Themselves !)
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To: SeekAndFind

A lot of this Allipundit piece is based on leftist sources and openly anti-Trump people.

Cannot be called a proven sourced piece of journalism.

If Sandy Berger was only slapped on the wrist for stealing and reportedly destroying some classified government documents from the Archives, then Trump holding on to documents beyond a request time from the Archives or GSA and NOT destroying them is a hanging offense according to Pundit. Sarcasm!!!


32 posted on 08/26/2022 12:55:18 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a National Archives turf war instigated by a rabid anti-Trump troll.

Obama had far more records than Trump. As I understand it those are
still not resolved to this day, but they go after Trump.

These are the deep state globalists on the attack.

The inJustice Department and the FBI might as well be on the
UN and WEF payroll.


33 posted on 08/26/2022 12:55:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: wiseprince

He’ll never do it. He really should, but he won’t. He loves the country too much to see it destroy itself in a war.


34 posted on 08/26/2022 2:01:26 AM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: SeekAndFind

This a record of bureaucratic overreach. The Nara would like to have everything, every scrap of paper and used tissue. That’s just the way self important little ciphers are. But it isn’t up to them. They are minor flunkies whose job is basically as caretakers. They don’t make these decisions.
And that’s why Trump took his own sweet time— like every other ex-president.


35 posted on 08/26/2022 2:19:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t it obvious what is going on here?

The deep state totally screwed President Trump throughout his first term, by conspiring with House Democrats and their media puppets to fabricate two fraudulent impeachment cases against him.

They were attempting to convict him of crimes serious enough to justify removing him from office. President Trump took it like a champ but make no mistake - these allegations were no laughing matter.

So President Trump did exactly what any sane human being would do who is being falsely accused: he kept his own records of communications, conversations, leaked stories, key events, significant dates and other relevant details that would help him one day reconstruct a true account of what actually transpired, and disprove all the false allegations heaped upon him.

He has been building a case file against his antagonists, and had even filed suit against some of them - and threatened to do so on numerous occasions.

The deep state is now trying to confiscate his case files - knowing that in November, a “red wave” could help him turn the tables on them.


36 posted on 08/26/2022 2:19:55 AM PDT by enumerated ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

Because the archives weren’t entitled to them.

Simple enough answer. By the way, EVERY president over the last 40+ years has had disagreements with the National Archives over what documents rightfully belonged to them and what documents rightfully belonged to the president so let’s not act as though this is anything unusual. As for supposed classified documents, Trump declassified them. As the courts have ruled, it is at the sole discretion of the president to decide what to declassify. There is no formal process. He owes nobody any justification for his decision to do so. If he says a document is declassified, then its declassified. No later president can decide to reclassify a document that has been declassified either so don’t even try that one.


37 posted on 08/26/2022 2:20:37 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: SeekAndFind

i thought uber-anti-trumper and all around coward Allahpundit had left hotair by now and joined billy kristol’s uber-anti-trump “The Bulwark”, the rump website of Billy’s failed uber-anti-trump “Weekly Standard” ....


38 posted on 08/26/2022 2:21:52 AM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: SPDSHDW
That's an inaccurate statement.

This country is already at war. Undeclared perhaps, but still war.

Our own government--elected, appointed, and civil service--is at war with a majority of our voters and the Constitution itself.

Trump knows this better than anyone because it was the enemy that stole the presidency from him in 2020

Just thinking out loud here, but he probably doesn't yet know how we can fight back against this Deep State enemy. A classic military effort won't defeat an enemy such as ours...and, apparently, neither will we be able to battle in courts of law.

That said, blood will ultimately have to be shed if we want to defend our freedom. But where will this war be fought and who among our enemy must we fight?

39 posted on 08/26/2022 2:52:27 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: SeekAndFind

40 posted on 08/26/2022 3:02:25 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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