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‘They would have preferred hell’: The Battle of Stalingrad, 80 years on
France 24 ^

Posted on 08/23/2022 4:50:09 AM PDT by FarCenter

The Second World War’s deadliest battle – and one of the most brutal of all time – started on August 23, 1942, when Adolf Hitler’s forces went all out to seize the city bearing Joseph Stalin’s name. If ever a battle was like an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, it was Stalingrad. But when the USSR finally prevailed amid inhuman circumstances, it unleashed their inexorable momentum towards the moment three years later when troops raised the Soviet flag over the Reichstag as a devastated Berlin smouldered.

The most vivid chronicler of Stalingrad was the Soviet novelist and journalist Vasily Grossman, especially in his Tolstoyan epic Life and Fate. Countless lines jump from the pages of Grossman’s masterpiece, but the starkest phrase leaps from his diary: “It is like Pompeii”.

Even for people unfamiliar with the details of World War II, the battle’s ferocity and consequence give the word Stalingrad an “electric charge”, as British historian Dominic Sandbrook put it on the podcast The Rest is History.

There were two other pivotal moments in 1942, the year the Second World War’s dynamic shifted in the Allies’ favour. The British turned the tide for the Western Allies against Nazi Germany when Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery’s forces smashed Erwin Rommel’s Afrika Korps in the Battle of El Alamein in Egypt in October-November. The US turned the tide against Japan in the Battle of Midway in June. But neither El Alamein nor Midway quite carries the electrifying resonance of Stalingrad.

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But the Wehrmacht was on its last legs. It is astonishing that it lasted in Stalingrad as long as it did. German writer Heinrich Gerlach described the extreme conditions the 6th Army suffered in his autobiographical novel The Forsaken Army: “Walking mechanically, like ghosts, they skirt along the border of icy death. Here and there, one of them crosses it, with a wobbly step, falling without a sound. The torso tries to straighten up one last time, then collapses, as the hand that limply supports the heavy head falls. The body does not move any more. The others stumble over it.”
1 posted on 08/23/2022 4:50:09 AM PDT by FarCenter
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To: FarCenter

We remember all human fodder in that terrible conflict. May a world war never happen again.


2 posted on 08/23/2022 4:59:19 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Prayers for America.)
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To: FarCenter
One of those wars (many wars) that you wish that *both* sides could have lost.Two of the deadliest,most despicable,psychopaths in human history.
3 posted on 08/23/2022 5:02:33 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: FarCenter

Another excellent book about Stalingrad is “Enemy at the Gates” by William Craig. They made a movie of the same name, but it bears very little relation to the book. The movie chooses to focus on a sniper duel in Stalingrad and makes it appear that the duel turned the tide there — which is laughable. The 6th army was cut off and slowly starved & frozen to death — a horrible way to go. It could have broken out in the first days of its encirclement, but Hitler ordered it to stay put as he hated the concept of retreat.


4 posted on 08/23/2022 5:05:31 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Ciexyz
China's military increases by 10% in size and strength every year and our Armed Forces are worried about pronouns and renaming bases. A guaranteed recipe for a big,big war.
5 posted on 08/23/2022 5:05:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: FarCenter

The Soviets , with the help of the Allies , won WW2 . Many people haven’t a clue .


6 posted on 08/23/2022 5:09:02 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

In Europe that is .


7 posted on 08/23/2022 5:09:25 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman

“The Soviets , with the help of the Allies , won WW2 .”
Yes, I notice the USA and its support doesn’t get much credit in the article.


8 posted on 08/23/2022 5:13:06 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: sushiman

Without our help the Red Army would have completely collapsed.

L


9 posted on 08/23/2022 5:13:33 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: FarCenter

https://ok.ru/video/855395863207


10 posted on 08/23/2022 5:16:14 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: sushiman

The Soviets carried. We didn’t do much. Sure we did D-Day but we took on their “JV team” in Normandy.


11 posted on 08/23/2022 5:17:14 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Gay State Conservative; sushiman

I recall reading a book (or it may have been an article) when I was in university with the author postulating about what might have happened had the United States not entered the war in Europe against Nazi Germany (even though the attack on Pearl Harbor gave the American entry against Imperial Japan that sort of justification one can suppose).

In any event, the author mentioned that the British on their own by about 1941 and certainly 1942 had basically broken the back of the German air force, so the American effort was not a be all and end all necessity in that part of the war in Europe. And the interesting point would have been the war between the Soviets and Nazis after Hitler broke the non aggression pact and what would have happened there without American intervention in the Soviets’ favour. As a further note, while not ignoring the Holocaust and being insensitive to the plight of the Jews, that was allegedly ignored for the most part by the Allies anyway until the camps were discovered and liberated.

I am not trying to upset or aggravate people here, but I would be curious to see if others are aware of this topic or discussion in World War II history and what their thoughts would be.


12 posted on 08/23/2022 5:26:25 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966 )
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To: Lurker

Without the Soviets we would never have won Europe .


13 posted on 08/23/2022 5:27:06 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: FarCenter

What a slaughterhouse it was. And the effective end of the Wehrmacht’s offensive operations In Russia.


14 posted on 08/23/2022 5:27:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan (In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. )
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“Without the Soviets we would never have won Europe.”

Yes, we should have. It would have taken another 2 years, but we would have won.

L


15 posted on 08/23/2022 5:29:50 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Rummyfan

Kursk


16 posted on 08/23/2022 5:34:01 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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Yes, we should have. It would have taken another 2 years, but we would have won.

Not until we've invented atomic bombs.

17 posted on 08/23/2022 5:34:25 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: FarCenter

If you get the chance watch the movie “Stalingrad”.Follows members of 6th Army from Italy to Russia. It actually .akes you feel sorry for the individual soldiers, the German machine, not so much.


18 posted on 08/23/2022 5:36:01 AM PDT by mware
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To: Lurker

Your misunderstanding is profound

The reason the American allies made progress from Normandy to Germany was the destruction of the Wehrmacht by the Soviet tide in the east


19 posted on 08/23/2022 5:39:34 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: Lurker

Without our help the Red Army would have completely collapsed.

The amount of aid they got from us, the British, and the Canadians is incredible. The Red Army would have been barefoot and starving. Yet, to this day, we get little thanks for it.


20 posted on 08/23/2022 5:41:10 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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