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Ukraine is Losing the War, and So is Europe
Ron Paul Institute ^ | 7/27/22 | Ron Paul

Posted on 08/15/2022 6:22:15 AM PDT by JonPreston

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To: BobL
At this point, no regular commenter on the war believes the war started on Feb 24 because Putin just felt like invading a country that day (after not invading for 20 years).

After 30 years of independence, Ukraine was moving away from the Russian orbit and there was no way of getting Ukraine back under Russian control without outright conquest.

81 posted on 08/15/2022 7:38:08 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: marktwain

If the war has harmed Russia, then why don’t they quit?


82 posted on 08/15/2022 7:42:56 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: tlozo

“After 30 years of independence, Ukraine was moving away from the Russian orbit and there was no way of getting Ukraine back under Russian control without outright conquest.”

Actually, we’ll never know, since the Neocons had their blood all over Ukraine.

Anyway, doesn’t matter now as there won’t be much of Ukraine left for Russia to worry about.


83 posted on 08/15/2022 7:44:06 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: BobL
Actually, we’ll never know, since the Neocons had their blood all over Ukraine.

We know though polls taken in Ukraine. Ukrainians overwhelmingly wanted to be part of the EU not some Russian-Bananastan economic bloc.

84 posted on 08/15/2022 7:49:39 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: JonPreston

Everyone but the elite loses in the New World Order.

Oh wait, it’s the New Liberal Order now.


85 posted on 08/15/2022 7:51:40 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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86 posted on 08/15/2022 7:53:26 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: tlozo

“We know though polls taken in Ukraine. Ukrainians overwhelmingly wanted to be part of the EU not some Russian-Bananastan economic bloc.”

The only polling I know of were the two ELECTIONS, the first in 2014 when the Neocons didn’t like the results and overthrew the country. The second in 2019 when Zelensky promised to make peace with Russia and respect the rights of Russian speakers.

Who did your polling, the same NGOs that have now DESTROYED Ukraine, perhaps?


87 posted on 08/15/2022 7:54:00 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: Pollard

You need to show where Russia is on that map, at least for those that claim to think like 3 year olds.


88 posted on 08/15/2022 7:56:20 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: Pollard
Map of the last time each European country was occupied. Notice how the Russians/Soviets occupied their neighbors? No wonder they join NATO.

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/28/5758662/occupation-europe-map-ukraine

89 posted on 08/15/2022 8:02:09 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

Sometimes the side that starts the war isn’t the side that starts shooting first. This war was clearly started by NATO and The United States government.


90 posted on 08/15/2022 8:03:38 AM PDT by McCarthysGhost (q)
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To: BobL

It’s where the dates are but not long ago, before the fall of the USSR, Ukraine was the power center of the USSR.


91 posted on 08/15/2022 8:05:07 AM PDT by Pollard (Worm Free PureBlood)
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To: BobL
The only polling I know of were the two ELECTIONS, the first in 2014 when the Neocons didn’t like the results and overthrew the country.

So which Ukrainian President ran on a platform of joining the Russian economic bloc and not the EU? The 2014 Ukrainian election was won by pro-Russian Yanukovitch, who ran on a platform of Ukraine joining the EU, before reneging on his promise to the voters.

Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych announced that his country would not sign a landmark partnership agreement with the European Union

https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/ukraine-why-yanukovych-said-no-europe-9453

Initially, Yanukovych said Ukraine’s integration with the EU was the country’s “strategic aim,”

https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/viktor-yanukovych-yanukovich-putin-put-back-in-power-ukraine-russia/

92 posted on 08/15/2022 8:11:43 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

So you’re not a 3-year old? Anyway, tough crap, Ukraine, as it was known is toast, get used to it. Your Neocon friends should have supported Minsk 2, and then see what Putin did.

Too late now.


93 posted on 08/15/2022 8:17:26 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: mosaicwolf

Who encouraged the war to start is a better question. The US and Europe is the answer.
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I believe *provoked* is more accurate than *encouraged.


94 posted on 08/15/2022 8:20:22 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: McCarthysGhost
Sometimes the side that starts the war isn’t the side that starts shooting first. This war was clearly started by NATO and The United States government.

Right, so if someone tells you the European part of WW2 didn't start with nazi invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939 you're response to them would be?

95 posted on 08/15/2022 8:24:38 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: PGR88

...people relying on stupid, simplistic MSM slogans...
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Or relying upon any information from that source at all. They cannot even get the local weather right for the next few hours.

It’s hard to find open source, non-compromised, on-the-ground, eyes-on information, but it does exist and that is about all that is accurate.

Never forget that the US government has thrown around $1B at the MSM as a whole. It is state propaganda, legally put in place by zer0.

It is NOT *Mainstream*. It is the ruling Uniparty mouthpiece.


96 posted on 08/15/2022 8:28:49 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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To: Rapscallion

You’re not very informed

Russia has asked for talks a number of times

Ukraine won’t participate much till globalism inc headed by us and the UK give up and the $$$ stops flowing

We like making Putin bleed

Uke oligarchs like the cash and survival


97 posted on 08/15/2022 8:32:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: tlozo

Hardly

This war started in 2014 after the Maiden coup we helped engineer along with Soros and his Allie’s when ukrop and their neo Nazi militias moved into Donbas to quell the push for autonomy

The rest is history as they say

The Donbas is what this is over and Ukrop is about finished

NATO is just window dressing


98 posted on 08/15/2022 8:36:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: wardaddy

Actually, Brandon likes Putin enough to ask him to help broker a new Iran deal. Where does that Democrat-Russia partnership fit in on the “globalist” matrix?


99 posted on 08/15/2022 8:37:37 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: PGR88

Exactly

Including the big lie about chem attack in Syria

Our foreign policy is textbook woke globalism 101

And many here are ok with that


100 posted on 08/15/2022 8:38:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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