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We are experiencing something new: Welcome to the full employment recession
American Thinker ^ | 08/12/2022 | Michael Busler

Posted on 08/12/2022 7:22:40 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: P.O.E.

And how many have to work 2 or more jobs to keep up?


21 posted on 08/12/2022 7:54:30 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: SeekAndFind

So.. more people producing less.


22 posted on 08/12/2022 7:54:40 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

“Some are actively working to undermine the bastards that screwed them over.”

Oh wow, the first time I’ve seen this on FR. By the time they find out, it will already be done in most cases. Mene out.


23 posted on 08/12/2022 7:54:56 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Many mostly lower-income workers chose not to return to their job when their employer called them back. These workers were living off the stimulus money they received, and they were not paying their rent or their student loans. Many liked this lifestyle and chose to stay out of the workforce, at least until the money runs out. The labor force participation rate fell. Employers had millions of open jobs that could not be filled.

I strongly suspect this is nonsense, as anyone who has spent time working crappy, low-level jobs can tell you. There is simply no way that stimulus money enabled them in effect to retire.

What did happen is that many older people eligible for retirement and looking at layoffs or wage cuts simply retired. This caused many people at the bottom to move up the food chain, creating more openings at lower levels. In addition, many lower wage two income households realized that they lost very little and gained much after the woman lost her low-paying service job. They haven't gone back to work, especially if the husband got some wage increases. In addition, at least some of those who got stimulus checks used them to move elsewhere and find better work. They aren't going back either. Plus at least some workers can't go back to low paying jobs now because they can't pay for gas.

The lockdowns effectively wrung out a lot of people at the lousy low end of the labor market . They either moved up or moved out and they aren't going back unless wages really, really increase.

24 posted on 08/12/2022 8:02:18 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: rktman

Who can afford to work for $15/hr?

In many places that won’t even let you afford a small apartment with a 10-year-old car.

Those really aren’t serious jobs.


25 posted on 08/12/2022 8:02:53 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

We can hope. :-)


26 posted on 08/12/2022 8:09:12 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: SeekAndFind

Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Buckle up for a bad end to 2022.


27 posted on 08/12/2022 8:09:29 AM PDT by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: SeekAndFind

High Tech is starting to let people go.
Intel destroyed their company by embracing diversity and chasing quad patterning 7nm.
These two decisions cost them Apple as a customer as they were over 7 years late getting what Apple wanted.


28 posted on 08/12/2022 8:11:46 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: dforest

Looks to me like jobs are being migrated to either government or large corporations. Getting rid of the middle class and ushering in a third-world (i.e., two-tiered) caste system.


29 posted on 08/12/2022 8:13:12 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: desertfreedom765
Who can afford to work for $15/hr?

That's meant to be entry level, not something you live on. You start at that wage when you are 15 years old, then climb the job ladder through advancement, movement into other jobs, or education.

Do you really think that entry level wages should be high enough to live on?

30 posted on 08/12/2022 8:15:26 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its a full employment recession because the government is buying employees. The government has never hired as many people. The government has never had so many consultants. And the government has never paid out so many benefits. This is not a great economy. This is socialism. About half the economy is living off the government teet in one way or the other.


31 posted on 08/12/2022 8:17:34 AM PDT by poinq
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To: rktman

Employment numbers I believe are a full 5 million fewer than they were in 2019…

Anyone telling you we are at full employment is just playing statistical games..


32 posted on 08/12/2022 8:20:04 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Tench_Coxe

Tench_Coxe said: peter principle management continues to talk about how even more diversity/equity/inclusion and good esg scores are the way to success.

It’s all fun and games until the lights go out.

Personally, as an X-er, I feel like the Boomers are the only thing keeping the lights on these days. There’s just not enough of us X-ers to go around, and many (like myself) are disillusioned, and want off this merry-go-round ASAP.

Which will leave the bag in the hands of the Millenials and Z’s, etc. who are busy proving to the world that they can’t find their gender with both hands.

So, yeah, sorry for this message of hope. Maybe I need some more coffee.


33 posted on 08/12/2022 8:22:43 AM PDT by Kommodor (Solzhenitsyn was an optimist...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Full employment will change soon. Or better put, full people collecting paychecks will end soon. Productivity has fallen to record lows. That means some people are not working hard and being productive. They will be the first to lose their jobs. Unemployment will go through the roof by the end of the year. That God I am retired. It sucks to be the doing the job of multiple people. Been there. Done that.


34 posted on 08/12/2022 8:32:25 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: Jeff Chandler

There are 10’s of millions of Adults working at that wage level, so no they are not entry level jobs.

These jobs are being priced out of the market because workers can’t afford to take them. They make a better living driving an Uber.

The market will eventually adjust or many of these jobs will disappear for good.


35 posted on 08/12/2022 8:38:01 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: Kommodor

That is kind of my take on the situation. I am an X’er in my late 50’s and if the market goes up enough I’m outta here early next year. I told a colleague who retired last year I was contemplating retirement and she said oh no, when you retire they will close that department, there is no one left who knows how to run it or what to do and she is right I hate to say. Administration is clueless and the new employees are not here long enough to learn 2+2=4. They can fill my position and that person have a steep learning curve or close it, I really don’t care either way.

I’m tired, I hurt and I’m sick of the woke BS from a bunch of children who refuse to grow up. Falling on their butts hard a few times might wake them up.


36 posted on 08/12/2022 8:45:24 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Kommodor
Personally, as an X-er, I feel like the Boomers are the only thing keeping the lights on these days. There’s just not enough of us X-ers to go around, and many (like myself) are disillusioned, and want off this merry-go-round ASAP. Which will leave the bag in the hands of the Millenials and Z’s, etc. who are busy proving to the world that they can’t find their gender with both hands.

As a boomer, I can't agree more. Of course, this is a broad statement because there are some very good industrious individuals in each of these "generation" categories. So, broadly speaking, there seems to be a wide gap in the work ethic between boomers and the generations below them.

What floors me is the disdain I get sometimes from some of these snot-nosed younger people when I talk to them about things as simple as commitment and timeliness. They treat their jobs as "this company is lucky to have me so I will do what I want". The Customer Service manager (a gen-x'er) at my job told his mostly gen-z'ers that you need to be at work at 8am so make sure you're here no later than 8:15am!!!! My buddy who is a boomer in that department told him, "you just told them to be here at 8:15am, sheesh". When I try to help them understand commitment and timeliness, they just scoff at me and says with a dismissive voice "boomer". Pisses me off.

On the subject of the recent gravy train and people staying home and getting their govt. stipend. I believe a lot of mothers who have been duped into the "empowerment of women" mantra they have been fed their whole lives started taking a second look at motherhood and being with their children and raising them gave them much more satisfaction than the pittance a lot of them were slaving for. Thus, they learned how to live on one income to live the real dream of raising their own children.

The employers already know the tribal knowledge advantage of having the boomers in their employ. What they are finding out very quickly are all the other things that boomers bring to the table such as commitment, timeliness, and an honest days work. Retirement is always in the back of my mind but I'm not ready to pull the trigger yet. From what I've read, some of the boomers that decided to retire during the fake pandemic returned to the workforce for a variety of reasons. Perhaps it was a case of not preparing properly (both financially and mentally) for retirement or their former employer or new employer gave them an offer they couldn't refuse.
37 posted on 08/12/2022 9:51:06 AM PDT by copaliscrossing (The truth is always your friend.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That will change soon enough. But in principle it’s easy to have full employment and a recession: Just use regulation and boneheaded central planning in a totalitarian government to make the workers less and less productive at actually meeting the needs and wants of actual consumers.


38 posted on 08/12/2022 10:04:53 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: SeekAndFind
Because of this labor shortage

No such thing. There is a wage shortage.

39 posted on 08/12/2022 10:11:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: SeekAndFind
The surest way to find out if we are at "Full" employment is to cut off government funding.
40 posted on 08/12/2022 10:11:24 AM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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