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Trump: Ukraine Should Have Made Deal With Putin
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 01 August 2022 04:56 PM EDT | Jack Gournell

Posted on 08/02/2022 7:51:56 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: Wuli

Yet it seems that it’s for the US to say what the border of Ukraine should be. We kept chest bumping Putin for the last 8 to 10 years, and now here we are. The eastern Nazi part of Ukraine got too much power. They have to be put in check. Watching DC get pimp slapped, and the WEF/NATO take a blackeye is just icing on the cake.


41 posted on 08/02/2022 8:45:04 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: unclebankster

Just following the analogy - just think of all those poor Americans dying needlessly in their millions, when they could have surrendered and lived under benighted Mexican rule.


42 posted on 08/02/2022 8:47:52 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: discostu
Those are still their demands.

Wrong again...Russia isn't negotiating with Ukraine any more, they're using 'other means' to accomplish their goals.

The situation is completely different today then before the war started, and not in Ukraine's favor.

43 posted on 08/02/2022 8:48:54 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck

Ukraine walked away from the table because Russia wouldn’t budge on those key issues.

The situation is exactly the same as it was before. And much like before even if Russia wins there will be resistance for years and probably Russia eventually leaves, much like in Afghanistan.


44 posted on 08/02/2022 8:51:14 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: libh8er

I don’t see an issue with saying Putin was putting on genius negotiation tactics. Or calling him a genius.

Doesn’t mean Putin is a good guy, means we’re looking at him as an actual threat.
I bet you that people called Hitler smart early in WW2, for certain tactics.


45 posted on 08/02/2022 8:53:06 AM PDT by SPDSHDW (Buy JHP ammo, Level 3/4 armor and rifles. Won’t be able to for much longer, and we’re gonna need em)
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To: bert

Hatred bordering on stupidity is strong in this one.


46 posted on 08/02/2022 8:53:35 AM PDT by Chgogal (No Green Policies until the Democrats hold China to the same standards.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yes of course.

Trump was unable to negotiate or make a deal with his domestic enemies. He lacked the nature to fight and as a result they ruined him.

He could not sanction the leadership of the FBI or CIA so they beat him unmercifully. They knew he was defenseless even though the most powerful man on earth

They are all still there and what’s more still motivated to kill him. His second term will be a continuous distraction as their ruinous daily action continues un abated.


47 posted on 08/02/2022 8:57:05 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Only problem that analysis is that it is false comparison. 1. Israel actually had to defend themselves, all Ukraine had to do was not rattle the swords by refusing to join NATO and quit shelling Ukes of Russian heritage or loyalties in Eastern Ukraine. You know, act like an honest government. 2. The Ukrainian Government is corrupt, Israel was not.”

As for (1) above, the Donbas’ Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) and Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) claimed independence, and allegiance to Russia, thus starting a civil war. Kind of like 1861 in the United States with some of the Southern states.

As for (2) above, Israel is corrupt, as well (as recent court cases have shown). There is no such thing as a country void of corruption. Some people who hold power just cannot help themselves when the opportunities for graft and larceny present themselves.


48 posted on 08/02/2022 8:57:59 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: SoConPubbie

“So, you apparently think that the Ukraine Government was right to shell their own people in the eastern provinces of Ukraine?”....You also apparently think that Ukraine should not have honored their promises where the Minsk treaty was concerned?”

When one side is not living up to an agreement, and flagrantly violating it, you do not sit back and pretend the opposite to be true. The Minsk agreement was used by Putin as against the government of Ukraine as a cover to continually violate the Minsk agreement. What was supposed to be decided in the breakaway areas by the people in those areas AND Ukraine, together, Putin decided to make and increase facts on the ground to try to take Ukraine and its government out of the equation.


49 posted on 08/02/2022 8:59:19 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: DesertRhino

Pure nonsense.


50 posted on 08/02/2022 9:00:17 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: discostu

“The fact is there was no deal to make. Putin demanded Ukraine lose their military and Russia final approval on foreign relations. All that deal would do was leave Ukraine open for a much easier invasion later. That’s not a deal. That’s suicide.”

Exactly.


51 posted on 08/02/2022 9:00:37 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: SoConPubbie

He’s 100% right

Tens of thousands dead mostly civilians

For disputed territory and globalist itch to skin Pooties knee

Neocons often have never even busted a grape


52 posted on 08/02/2022 9:00:47 AM PDT by wardaddy (Lawyers guns and money……I lived it…. Now I'm old…. I have wonderful children)
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To: SoConPubbie

So, Trump is suggesting that another country negotiate away its territory to a third country?

I would understand saying, “it’s none of our business”…but anything else is inappropriate.


53 posted on 08/02/2022 9:01:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: discostu

Russia is never leaving Ukraine, if anything its Ukraine that’s going away.

I’m not sure what koolaid your drinking but I suggest you watch some of the recent interviews with Ukie forces in Kharkov, Slavansk, and Zaporizhzhia regions where they describe the local population constantly giving away their positions to the Russian side.

There may be a rump Ukraine leftover when the fighting stops, but its not gonna look geographically anything like it did in Dec 2021.


54 posted on 08/02/2022 9:02:22 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck

Yeah they will.

I pay attention to history. Ukraine resisted Russia for over a decade after WWII. They don’t want to be a part of Russia. It might take them another decade. But they aren’t going to stop fighting. And at some point Russia will get tired of bleeding.


55 posted on 08/02/2022 9:05:33 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: SoConPubbie
Ukraine WANTED to back in March. The Biden and Boris Johnson regimes said no and that they had to fight to the last Ukraine to defend the "liberal world order".

But, this ought to clear enough to neocons like Williams here that they ARE NOT on the same side as Trump on this war.

56 posted on 08/02/2022 9:08:39 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Leaning Right
Putin probably wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine had Trump still been president.

What would Trump have done to stop him?

57 posted on 08/02/2022 9:09:52 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: discostu

“Ukraine walked away from the table because Russia wouldn’t budge on those key issues.”

There is an old saying: A successful negotiation is when both sides give up something, and at the end neither is particularly happy; but they accept and abide by it.

In the instant matter, Russia was demanding that Ukraine give up something of its own, but Russia would not (really, what was Russia going to “give up?”). That is not a negotiation; that is a threat.

I don’t blame Ukraine for telling Russia to pound sand under those circumstances.


58 posted on 08/02/2022 9:10:39 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Lower Deck

> Putin probably wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine had Trump still been president. ... What would Trump have done to stop him? <

Trump was a tough and smart president. So he was capable of a tough and smart response. Who knows what that response would have been (I don’t). And that’s the whole point. Putin would have had to take one heck of a gamble.

Biden is of course the polar opposite of Trump. Biden is weak and stupid. It’s much less of a gamble when dealing with a person like that.

It’s worth noting that Putin also made aggressive moves when Bush II and Obama were president. But not when Trump was president.


59 posted on 08/02/2022 9:27:40 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Soros and the Biden crime family did not allow that.

60 posted on 08/02/2022 9:29:48 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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