Trump: Ukraine Should Have Made Deal With Putin

Newsmax ^ | Monday, 01 August 2022 04:56 PM EDT | Jack Gournell

[Bishop_Malachi]

Mr President I know you are trying to make the Soviet lovers -who you think are part of your base- happy, but they are not your base.

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The Globalists are not his base either.

[discostu]

No. November 2021 is well before February of 2022. So that makes the NATO dodge a LIE.

[SoConPubbie]

Making “a deal” with someone after they have invaded you is also known as ‘surrender’ isn’t it?

So maybe the Ukraine should have not shelled eastern Ukraine, honored the Minsk treaty(ies) and not pursued entry into NATO.

There are always two sides to every story.

[SoConPubbie]

No. November 2021 is well before February of 2022. So that makes the NATO dodge a LIE.

Then I stand corrected.

[Houserino]

There is nothing Ukraine could’ve offered except surrender to avoid the warmongering russians besides pre-emptive surrender. You know that.

[PGR88]

Ukraine has no say in the matter.

Its the US neocons and deep state, who, with the Maidan Coup in 2014, weaponized Ukraine against Russia for strategic purposes.

Its the exact same people who tried to take down Trump with “Russia-gate,” “Vindman-gate,” etc...

[Houserino]

You are corrected dozens, maybe hundreds of times a day.. Finally getting it?

[JennysCool]

Trump thinks deals. He simply won’t ever fight.

His skill at negotiating with tyrants -- including threatening them -- was how he fought. And he fought a whole lot.

You didn't notice that he was the first president in ages not to get us involved in a war? He went Teddy Roosevelt one better: He spoke loudly and carried a big stick, so our military didn't have to fight and die.

[mac_truck]

Putin demanded Ukraine lose their military and Russia final approval on foreign relations.

Nonsense...Russia demanded Ukraine remain neutral, stop shelling the Donbas and implement the Minsk agreements. Not unreasonable terms in light of subsequent events.

[discostu]

Not nonsense. Those were they’re demands. Those are still their demands. That’s a deal.

[SoConPubbie]

You are corrected dozens, maybe hundreds of times a day.. Finally getting it?

Those aren't corrections, those are either mind-numbed robotic NPCs or Trolls.

[Houserino]

Same situation as when everyone you see is an NPC or troll, in reality you are.

[Rockingham]

Precisely! For any deal between Russia and Ukraine, the US and NATO would inevitably be drawn in as guarantors of Putin's good conduct toward Ukraine. Since Putin is criminal and aggressive by nature, he will violate the terms of any deal and will count on the US and NATO being unwilling to act decisively. That would more or less have put us where we are now, fitfully helping Ukraine, but not enough to win and then complaining about the faults of our de facto ally.

As it is, Russia is in bad economic shape due to sanctions, with its domestic economy and state finances under severe and growing stress from a lack of essential imports and the spending down of Russia's rainy day fund. The best strategy for Ukraine and the West is to keep at it while waiting for Russian military exhaustion and economic collapse. Then a deal can be made -- potentially with Putin's successor.

[escapefromboston]

I don’t think Ukraine has been in charge of their own country since 2014

[Wuli]

“1. Israel actually had to defend themselves, all Ukraine had to do was not rattle the swords by refusing to join NATO and quit shelling Ukes of Russian heritage or loyalties in Eastern Ukraine. “

That is dumb. It’s saying that Ukraine was not supposed to defend the sovereignty of its own territory, just becuase a dictator wanted to occupy part of it. As far as the NATO claim, that is a Putin inspired Red Herring. Putin wanted Ukraine, period, and his own written statements on the subject have said so.

[SoConPubbie]

That is dumb. It’s saying that Ukraine was not supposed to defend the sovereignty of its own territory, just becuase a dictator wanted to occupy part of it. As far as the NATO claim, that is a Putin inspired Red Herring. Putin wanted Ukraine, period, and his own written statements on the subject have said so.

So, you apparently think that the Ukraine Government was right to shell their own people in the eastern provinces of Ukraine?

You also apparently think that Ukraine should not have honored their promises where the Minsk treaty was concerned?

[redgolum]

All they had to do was give Russia the territorial concessions Russia already held.

Until the next bite.

Ukraine has been an invasion path for centuries, and is a larger producer of food and resources. Russia has a long historic claim to Ukraine, and will not forget that.

Sort of how Argentina will never give up on the Falklands.

[bigdaddy45]

Then make a deal. What kind of a deal? A deal deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqw0Gz9GahM

[unclebankster]

“On the brink of the 1846 to 1848 Mexican-American War, the US should have made a deal with Mexico.”

No,

Mexico should’ve made a deal, but they were a young & proud Republic who decided to “roll the dice” against a stronger power.

They got their ass kicked and a worse deal.

Which is exactly what will happen with Ukraine.

[redgolum]

If you look at the founding of Israel, and the deals they broke in doing so and continue to break, then your position is weakened.

The difference is Israel can (at least so far) hold her territory. Ukraine can not. At the end of the day, that is the determining factor.