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Putin’s Unexpected Challenge: Snubs From His Central Asian Allies
WSJ ^ | 24-JUL-2022 | Evan Gershkovich

Posted on 07/27/2022 10:46:38 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

At the start of the year, Russia dispatched more than 2,000 troops to its longtime ally Kazakhstan to help put down violent antigovernment unrest. Six weeks later, when Russian troops stormed into Ukraine, Kazakhstan had an opportunity to repay the favor by supporting the invasion.

It didn’t.

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1 posted on 07/27/2022 10:46:38 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Archived version: https://archive.ph/rpS9Z


2 posted on 07/27/2022 10:47:00 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

it seems that all the once-Soviet ‘stans’ are seeing Putin as we the west do not!


3 posted on 07/27/2022 10:50:25 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: SpeedyInTexas

I suppose Putin is just going to have to invade and annex those ungrateful countries that don’t want to help him invade and annex other ungrateful countries.


4 posted on 07/27/2022 10:51:02 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush

His cousin Adolph did that too. It didn’t end well for him.


5 posted on 07/27/2022 10:55:17 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Mussolini was not eager to get Italy involved in Hitler’s war.

Turkey stayed out of WW2.


6 posted on 07/27/2022 10:55:51 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: SpeedyInTexas

People in that part of the world tend to know that things can go badly and tend to be very cautious.


7 posted on 07/27/2022 10:58:24 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

[I suppose Putin is just going to have to invade and annex those ungrateful countries that don’t want to help him invade and annex other ungrateful countries.]


Ukraine ping

That’s principally the reason they’re not happy about the invasion of Ukraine - the expectation that Ukraine is just the first stop on a long journey. Wars use up materials and foot soldiers. That’s why conquerors grow stronger as they add territory - the addition of material resources and foot soldiers aids them in future expeditions. They don’t want Russia getting any stronger.

Self-interest, rather than ideology, feeds their opposition. For pretty much the same reason, the US allied with a genocidal Russia against a genocidal Germany during WWII. Prewar China had been a corrupt and massacre-happy mess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre

The US allied with it to prevent Japan from consolidating its hold on the manpower of a continental-sized country, and deploying it elsewhere during Japan’s wide-ranging wars of conquest.


8 posted on 07/27/2022 11:04:05 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
Kazakhstan had an opportunity to repay the favor by supporting the invasion. It didn’t.

Kazakhstan will not recognize the self-proclaimed independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev said on Friday.

“If the right to self-determination is put into practice all over the world, then there will be over 600 countries instead of the 193 states that are currently members of the United Nations. Of course, that would be chaos,” Tokayev said at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/kazakhstan-will-not-recognize-donetsk-luhansk-as-independent-states-says-president/2616643

9 posted on 07/27/2022 11:48:39 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: SpeedyInTexas
“The moral of this tale is: if you are a friend of the bear—even if you are the best friend, even if he is in a good mood—always watch your back,”

The Kazakhstan government realizes that if Russia gets going on creating the Second Soviet Union, they are on Moscow's list of future Soviet states. They are walking a fine line by necessity.

10 posted on 07/27/2022 12:58:17 PM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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Escaping a bear hug: Kazakhstan seeks closer ties to US and Europe

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/escaping-a-bear-hug-kazakhstan-seeks-closer-ties-to-us-and-europe/


11 posted on 07/27/2022 12:59:21 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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“creating the Second Soviet Union”

“Explosion: the Russian Minister of Defense spoke for the first time about how he sees the future: ‘soon there will be the Soviet Union again and we will again live in peace.” It’s hard to believe to my ears… at least we know their goal”

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/w9jwdy/explosion_the_russian_minister_of_defense_spoke/


12 posted on 07/27/2022 2:32:07 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: Zhang Fei

“They don’t want Russia getting any stronger.”

It is not just historical grievances against aggressive Russian domination - it is revulsion at the brutality and immorality of what Russia is doing today.

Russia is perpetrating a massive crime wave, and all the neighbors see it. All the neighbors not only fear for themselves, but see the utter immorality of Russia’s behavior. The torture, the looting, the mass targeting of civilians and essential infrastructure. It is monstrous. Nobody wants to have to live in that kind of hell-realm, where the FSB reigns.


13 posted on 07/27/2022 3:28:50 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: Zhang Fei; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; ...
Thanks Zhang Fei.

14 posted on 07/28/2022 7:22:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Widget Jr

Not only Kazakhstan. These Russian nutcases are dreaming of conquering several other countries and territories including Alaska.

This is what their recent propaganda materials show - https://mobile.twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1552383304372035585


15 posted on 07/28/2022 8:26:50 AM PDT by Krosan
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To: AdmSmith

LOL. You guys know nothing about Central Asia. They play you like a fiddle.


16 posted on 07/28/2022 3:17:48 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Brian Griffin
Mussolini was not eager to get Italy involved in Hitler’s war.

He was too busy using mustard gas on Ethiopians.

17 posted on 07/28/2022 3:23:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Escaping a bear hug: Kazakhstan seeks closer ties to US and Europe

I wish them Great Success.

18 posted on 07/28/2022 3:24:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SpeedyInTexas

Russia uses Kazakhstan as a Sanctions busting nation. He needs Kazakhstan to stay out of it publicly. Kazakh citizens, however, do fight as part of Russia’s military in Ukraine (on volunteer assignment, like the Belarusians) and in the Wagner PMC as well.


19 posted on 07/28/2022 7:18:16 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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