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115 Los Angeles firefighters live out of state, city council looking to hire more residents
The Center Square ^ | July 24, 2022 - | Brett Rowland

Posted on 07/25/2022 4:08:16 AM PDT by george76

Los Angeles Fire Department has 115 employees who live outside the state of California, including one who lives in Alaska and five more who live on the East Coast.

With a few firefighters making more than $500,000 a year and a median home listing of $1 million in the city, whether Los Angeles should have a residency requirement is being discussed internally, according to a report and ongoing city council discussions.

About 15% of the firefighters live within the city limits, a figure that prompted fire officials to consider requiring firefighters to live closer to the area they protect in case of a major disaster.

The fire department has been working with the City Council to attract more city residents, women and minorities to the department. The fire department provided the council with several ways to boost those numbers.

The City Council passed a motion late last year for the police and fire departments to establish an incentive program to recruit more city residents.

"The majority of police officers and firefighters are not residents of the City of Los Angeles, which means other jurisdictions benefit from their spending on property tax, sales tax and other revenues," according to a city council motion. "Longer commutes from other cities also create traffic congestion and increase air pollution. Finally and most importantly, the communities that officers and firefighters serve are often not the ones that they themselves belong to, which can create a natural disconnect between public servants and constituents."

That so many firefighters live outside the city creates problems with scheduling and impacts overtime. It's common for the city's firefighters to make $200,000 or more in overtime in a year. There were 86 employees in the fire department who made $400,000 or more in 2021. The city paid $244.9 million in overtime in 2021.

About 85% of Los Angeles firefighters live outside the city. The report found that of the 3,348 members of the department, 1,058 lived outside the city but within Los Angeles County. Another 1,247 firefighters lived in the adjacent counties of Orange, Ventura, Kern and San Bernardino. A further 412 lived in other counties in Southern California.

Some lived even further away. Seventeen lived in Central and Northern California and 115 lived in other states. While many of those 115 lived in either Utah, Arizona and Idaho, one firefighter lived in Florida. Another lived in Alaska.

The report said the city had the legal right to enforce a residency requirement. Some other large U.S. cities, such as Chicago, require firefighters to live within city limits before they can be hired.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: California; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: california; firedepartment; losangeles
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1 posted on 07/25/2022 4:08:16 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

the city had the legal right to enforce a residency requirement.

Yes that well really help solve the recruitment problem.

/S/


2 posted on 07/25/2022 4:26:55 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: george76

I do not believe they can legally impose retroactive residency requirements.


3 posted on 07/25/2022 4:28:59 AM PDT by wetgundog (i)
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To: riverrunner

Another idea: pass a law that requires that no home be valued over $100K. /s


4 posted on 07/25/2022 4:31:15 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: george76

The Firefighters In San Fransisco I knew 15 years ago “lived in Oregon” on paper so they could register their cars there without CARB requirements.

They knew they wouldn’t be able to live in SF if they retired or couldn’t work, so they had an escape plan...and if The Big One hit....


5 posted on 07/25/2022 4:32:32 AM PDT by UNGN
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To: riverrunner
...the city had the legal right to enforce a residency requirement.

Courts found that residency requirements were illegal because they prevented minorities from joining police and fire departments of towns they didn't live in.

Residency requirements are legal based on whims, not actual law.

6 posted on 07/25/2022 4:33:57 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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…including one who lives in Alaska…

What if he hits traffic on the way to the fire?

7 posted on 07/25/2022 4:37:42 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: george76

Seems to me you would want people who are not emotionally invested in such positions so they are making decisions based on logic instead of “OMG the sky is falling on my neighborhood!” type of thinking.


8 posted on 07/25/2022 4:48:09 AM PDT by NicoDon
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To: wetgundog

“I do not believe they can legally impose retroactive residency requirements.”

Governments can make any laws they want. To change them, you have to take them to court. It takes hundreds of dollars per hour to operate the legal system and the average person simply can’t afford it, so whatever “unjust” law is on the books can stay there until Hell freezes.

I suspect when they say “out of state” they mean Mexico. As I just mentioned in another post, many of the Mexicans I met in Mexico had full time jobs in California, but their family and homes were in Mexico. Thus, they earn the California wage rates but live the life of kings in the Mexican economy. It’s nice if you can do it.


9 posted on 07/25/2022 4:50:55 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Magnatron

Alaska and the east coast makes for an interesting commute.


10 posted on 07/25/2022 4:57:23 AM PDT by xp38
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To: george76

Firefighters are a bit unique. They live at the station while on duty. Smart to live somewhere else and collect the big bucks.


11 posted on 07/25/2022 5:10:55 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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Who the heck can afford to live in Los Angeles?

Well, I guess you could carve out a little spot under a bridge....maybe

12 posted on 07/25/2022 5:14:22 AM PDT by unread ("It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required." W. Churchill.)
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To: wetgundog

I worked for a community college and you we’re required not to live more than 40 miles away.


13 posted on 07/25/2022 5:34:57 AM PDT by Striperman (Striperman)
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To: wetgundog

I worked for a community college and you we’re required not to live more than 40 miles away.


14 posted on 07/25/2022 5:35:01 AM PDT by Striperman (Striperman)
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To: george76

How does a Cauliphonya “firefighter” fight fires in Cauliphonya from Alaska? Must be a Cauliphonya thing.


15 posted on 07/25/2022 5:42:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The House is supposed to represent the people, not the friggin' Federal government. )
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To: george76

NYC residency requirements for FDNY and NYPD are actually quite liberal in the old school sense - members of those departments can live in Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Orange and Putnam Counties. Nevertheless, there are cases of cops and firemen living across state lines in NJ including a former cop turned mayor who was living in Fort Lee, NJ until recently l ;).


16 posted on 07/25/2022 5:45:53 AM PDT by Clemenza
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To: Magnatron

What, like a moose in the road?


17 posted on 07/25/2022 6:30:42 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: Clemenza

That is quiet a bit different than working in LA where the closest state border is a 4 hour drive away to NV or AZ.

The distance that some of these LA firefighters live away would be like being a firefighter in Staten Island and living in NH or VA.

I would think that most of these LA firefighters are living in other states for tax/quality of life reasons. They can make a lot more money being on the LA fire department than they can in Boise.


18 posted on 07/25/2022 6:31:13 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: george76

One solution related to housing costs, would be for the fire department to own housing, and rent that housing to employees at a discounted rate, so they can afford to live in L.A.

I don’t know if there are tax implications with that, in that, discouted rent would be like additional income. But if this problem is that severe, LA needs to do something like this, if they want to ensure their firemen actually live in LA when off the clock.


19 posted on 07/25/2022 6:40:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Gen.Blather

Crossing the border for work has been going on for 60+ years in California/Mexico.

For example, back in the 1950’s my father in law(now 85) worked in San Diego. He went to San Diego state and worked at the General Dynamics/Lockeed Martin aircraft factory assembling Corvair jets. He lived across the border in Tijuana. He was a young gringo from NH. Back in the day, it was very safe to live there. It was also cheaper to live in Tijuana. He lived there for five years. By the time he moved back to NH he was fluent in Spanish.


20 posted on 07/25/2022 6:42:11 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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