Russia claims to destroy US-made rocket launchers — Ukraine disagrees

NY Post ^ | July 22, 2022 | Evan Simko-Bednarski

[McGruff]

Russia claimed Friday to have already destroyed four of the long-range rocket systems sent to Ukraine by the US — but Kyiv says Moscow is lying.

The Russian Defense Ministry said Friday that four US-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) had been destroyed in the fighting since July 5, all in the Ukrainian province of Donetsk, part of the Donbas region that has seen the heaviest fighting of the war.

Russian Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov told reporters the four rocket launchers and one support vehicle had been taken out by “high precision weapons,” according to Russian state-run news outlet TASS.

[CodeToad]

“It would be humorous if Russia and Ukraine were both playing us for U.S. tax dollars.”

Somehow, I think they are.

[spaced]

U Russians are not allowed to criticize their leaders or government, especially in regards to the invasion of Ukraine.

And Ukrainians are not allowed to be pro-Russian in their political beliefs. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

Looks like a pot and a kettle to me.

[Flick Lives]

hey’ve tried to interfere with U.S. elections (the filthy Russian accusations against Donald Trump in the “dossier” being only one case in point).

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You do realize that fake dossier was put together by the Hillary campaign with assistance from the corrupt FBI, right? The Russians weren’t involved in it, unless you’re taking the “fake but accurate” lane.

[Petrosius]

And how does restoring Ukrainian sovereignty “eliminate” Russia? This Russian propaganda is just too much.

[Manly Warrior]

Well, Ukraine- send ‘em proof!

[mac_truck]

FamilyOp: Russians are not allowed to criticize their leaders or government, especially in regards to the invasion of Ukraine.

Also FamilyOp: Here’s Igor Girkin’s take on HIMARS

🤡🤡🤡

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Says the Soros stooge spouting globalist psychopath propaganda.

[House Atreides]

“You do realize that fake dossier was put together by the Hillary campaign with assistance from the corrupt FBI, right? The Russians weren’t involved in it, unless you’re taking the “fake but accurate” lane.”
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So many, including many of the less discerning on the right, are easily herded by the simple expedient of crying out “RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA”. It’s astounding.

[ganeemead]

"Ukraine is already less corrupt than Russia"

[familyop]

No. The dossier containing accusations from Russians was put together by Steele. The most infamous of accusations was made by a Russian prostitute.

[familyop]

The Russian accusations against President Trump in the dossier were obtained by Steele (British) then publicized and used as false evidence by Hillary’s girls.

[familyop]

Putin calls for greater gun control following Russian school shooting
May 11, 2021
https://youtu.be/qYJRY1cpG9Y

And Russia’s gun control is already extremely restrictive. 15 years in prison for disrespecting government officials. It’s not a free country.

[JoSixChip]

No loyal American will believe them.

Jesus? So now you think you are the gate keeper of what a loyal American is? You are nothing but a POS.

[achilles2000]

“There’s no value for the Russians in that propaganda. No loyal American will believe them.”

Now you’ve gone from stupid to out right fascistic. The issue is whether it’s true, not “loyalty”. None of us (including you) know “for sure” whether the Russians have taken out 4 systems or have had one sold to them. The Zelensky regime would certainly not want to disclose it has lost any (especially losing one through corruption) while it is rattling it beggar’s cup for more. Beyond that, why would anyone assume that any battlefield piece of equipment can’t be destroyed?

In this case the RF has air superiority, which means it has a lot of drones searching for howitzers, MLRS, tanks, etc. When these things are found, the RF certainly has the means to destroy them. The strength of HIMARS is that they are deadly accurate and have some range. It’s a very good weapon system, but it isn’t somehow magically invulnerable to a rocket or howitzer strike. I’ve seen some of the video, and in the cases I saw, it was definitely an MLRS system that was destroyed. Of course, being an MLRS system doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a HIMARS. That would have been a sounder point for you to make.

As for being credible, the Zelensky regime, with help from the US/NATO and their compliant toadies in the press have published lie after lie in the press - garbage taken from video games, movies, made up out of whole cloth, etc. What I see on the RF side has been more consistently factually accurate, although I am sure not all of it has been correct. Yet, you and the other cheerleaders for team Biden/NATO/WEF simply ignore the unreliability of what NATO governments feed the tech media and the MSM and declare ex cathedra that any thing that suits your preferred narrative is true and that what doesn’t fit it is false. How very postmodern of you.

The Biden Administration has consistently excalated this conflict. The HIMARS has been particularly provocative because it’s clear the UFA isn’t operating them (the UFA also probably isn’t operating the M 777, Caesar Howitzers (there are photos of those that have been sold), and other advanced foreign weapons systems), and the intelligence for targeting HIMARS is coming from our satellites.

If, as you cheerleaders think, the UFA is a step away from finally vanquishing the “beleaguered” RF army, the RF’s economy is on the brink of collapse, and the Zelensky government is a wonderfully functional, reliable partner, why are stories popping up about sanctions being reversed or diluted and about NATO members becoming more ambivalent about providing weapons? Why is Zelensky carrying out massive purges in his iteration of the COUP government? Perhaps it suggests that the US/NATO proxy war is not going all that well, and the Zelensky government is not the heroic embodiment of “democracy” that we have been told it is . Even you can find those stories.

[achilles2000]

You are right...it is in the “fake but accurate lane.” The guy is clueless. The original provenance of the Steele Dossier material was the UK (MI6 was almost certainly involved), and it was laundered through various Dem operatives and organizations before it was given to the press. That post would almost make you think the guy is a troll, wouldn’t it?

[familyop]

"So now you think you are the gate keeper of what a loyal American is? You are nothing but a POS."

I was born here, enlisted and served in a combat specialty. I'm true to that, and that's probably what you hate about me. But the following applies to everyone.

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
USCIS

Oath

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Note: In certain circumstances there can be a modification or waiver of the Oath of Allegiance. See the USCIS Policy Manual.

[JoSixChip]

Again, you are nothing but a POS to me. Over and out.

[lodi90]

The Putards are apparently too brain damaged to notice that it is the Soros EU HQ funding Putin’s war and genocide in Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars every single day. Ukraine is stuck between a rock and hard place.

[rxh4n1]

I’ve been called a Ukie and a Putin puffer here. We have no dog in this fight. I say “a plague on both your houses”.

[Petrosius]

Says the Soros stooge spouting globalist psychopath propaganda.

Nice way to not answer the question. Is your position so weak that all you can do is resort to unfounded ad hominum attacks? Like so many other Ukrainian supporters on FreeRepublic, Soros is the last person I would support. If you would look at my postings unrelated to the Ukraine conflict you would know that.