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To: DoughtyOne

Spend $15,000+ to buy and install the panels. They do not last as advertised and the money saved = 0. You divide the cost vs the .10 cents a kw and you saved nothing.
In Calif. everyone else is subsidizing the solar electricity by paying .20 cents to .25 cents per kw vs .10 cents most places in the USA.

Excerpts: $2 to $4 worth of materials are recovered from each panel.
It costs roughly $20 to $30 to recycle a panel versus $1 to $2 to send it to a landfill.

It is like buying a $11,000 2014 Ford electric car and finding out it costs $14,000 to replace the battery plus installation costs as a Florida family recently found out.


25 posted on 07/20/2022 9:43:45 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: minnesota_bound

Huge savings with the solar panels.

Pay $20,000 to put them in. They last 20 years. That’s $1,000 per year cost of the panels. The savings per year on electricity is way more than that.

Two months of electric bills and the amortized cost of the panels is covered. The rest of the year it is electric bills of $1.85 or during heavy usage, $5.00 a month.

How do you figure they don’t pay? Not following you.


29 posted on 07/20/2022 9:54:41 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (ui)
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To: minnesota_bound

I purchased solar panels and electric generators. I charge them up with the panels. I don’t go out every day, so I should be able to charge my car over a
day or two.

I have two eBikes I charge with my panels, ranges 40 and 60 miles plus.

I have plans to build my own camping trailer, and possibly a tiny house too.

I have all the equipment I need to go solar off the grid.

The costs are not bad the way I’m doing it.

I should be pretty self-contained.


38 posted on 07/20/2022 10:43:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which stands.)
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To: minnesota_bound
I spent $13k on a thermosyphonic solar hot water heater in San Diego. It was supposed to have a 20 year service life. The panels were black anodized copper with quartz glass over the top. The storage tank was fiberglass insulated. 150 gallons. It produced 100% of our hot water needs from March to September. September to March, the system ran in "preheat" mode with the warmed water feeding the gas hot water heater to boost the temperate.

The system broke down after 3 years. The hard water in San Diego mineralized and destroyed the storage tank. It no longer supplying usable hot water. The manufacturer and installation company were already out of business. 5 actual years of service when 20 was specified. I donated my panels to a repair company. Just getting them off the lawn was a win.

43 posted on 07/20/2022 11:28:52 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: minnesota_bound

In San Francisco, these days, PG&E charges individual households 33c per kWh.

Your numbers are off by a factor of 100. Your prices 0.1, 0.2 are $/kWh


75 posted on 07/21/2022 6:00:42 AM PDT by nosf40
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