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As Ukraine war bogs down, U.S. assessments face scrutiny
Washington Post ^ | July 2, 2022 | Dan Lamothe and Karoun Demirjian

Posted on 07/03/2022 9:39:52 PM PDT by Mount Athos

President Biden said the United States is “rallying the world to stand with Ukraine” and pledged to support the cause “as long as it takes.”

U.S. officials have downplayed the (Russian} gains, calling them halting and incremental.

The scrutiny is fueled by U.S. government assessments of other wars, notably in Afghanistan, where officials habitually glossed over widespread dysfunction and corruption and sidestepped questions of whether battlefield successes were not only achievable but sustainable.

A Ukrainian lawmaker shared similar concerns.

“We are losing the most valuable thing, our soldiers and officers.”

Benjamin Friedman, a policy director at Defense Priorities, said that the stated objective of Ukraine to push Russian forces out seems “increasingly unrealistic” and that the Biden administration must do more to press Ukraine to negotiate with Russia and strive for a political settlement.

“I think we should be doing more to pressure them, and I think we’re sort of doing a disservice not just to regular Ukrainians, but to a lesser extent Americans and everyone else who is suffering economic problems because of the war.”

Friedman said the U.S. government is “spinning for Ukraine for the obvious reason that we are rooting for them.”

“Think of the prognosis on how long the Afghan government would hold after the August 31st withdrawal date,” Meijer said.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) said the United States cannot resign itself to a “prolonged never-ending conflict that is wreaking havoc on the American economy and the global economy.”

“People don’t want to see a resigned attitude that this is just going to go on as long as it’s going to go on. What is the plan on the diplomatic front?”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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To: Big Brother Go to Hell
I’m still rooting for a Russian victory

Nice to know you believe millions should be back behind the iron curtain.

"We must stand by all our democratic allies. And we must not break faith with those who are risking their lives—on every continent, from Afghanistan to Nicaragua—to defy Soviet-supported aggression and secure rights which have been ours from birth."

Ronald Reagan

61 posted on 07/04/2022 4:10:10 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Big Brother Go to Hell
Fortunately the vast majority of red blooded Americans still recognize Buttgag, Xiden, Piglosi, “Dr.” Falsie, etc. as far greater threats to our freedom than Putin will ever be

Completely moronic. So I should hope the Chinese take over their part of the world, because Biden is a greater threat to me? You can have more than one enemy in the world.

62 posted on 07/04/2022 4:12:52 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: Mount Athos

The scrutiny is fueled by U.S. government assessments of other wars, notably in Afghanistan, where officials habitually glossed over widespread dysfunction and corruption and sidestepped questions of whether battlefield successes were not only achievable but sustainable.

Pour U.S. taxpayer dollars into a country to purchase weapons. Defense contractors get rich. Connected NGOs get rich. Connected politicians in the foreign country get rich. Connected politicians in the U.S. get rich.

Eventually the scheme collapses leaving a ruined country in its wake.

Rinse and repeat. U.S. policy in Ukraine.


63 posted on 07/04/2022 4:57:51 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: Mount Athos; BobL; Cathi

“Lysychansk boiler”: Another Village Newly Controlled By Russia

> 79,287 views Jul 3, 2022

“In this report, you hear from residents in the “Lysychansk Boiler” [”Cauldron”] Near Severodonetk and in Lysychansk in Sirotino, a village [newly] controlled by Russia.

Report by Patrick Lancaster
US Navy veteran and independent crowd-funded journalist.
“I show what the western media will not show you.”

[I would gladly show reports by Western journalists on the UAF side of the fight, but I don’t see any.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0mDtb70Xo&ab_channel=PatrickLancaster


64 posted on 07/04/2022 5:02:28 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: tlozo

There is no iron curtain anymore and hasn’t been for years. Are you Rip Van Winkle?


65 posted on 07/04/2022 5:03:36 AM PDT by dforest (We have to put a stop to this now.)
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To: familyop

Russia and China, fascist or communist, are obviously trying to conquer and permanently occupy the world. Most of us will not willingly allow ourselves to be enslaved by them.

Now do the U.S. involvement in foreign wars in the last 50 years. It’s all very Orwellian.


66 posted on 07/04/2022 5:05:12 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: alexander_busek; bte

“[...] no amount of weapons is going to make Ukraine defeat The Russian Federation [...]
Let’s see you present your evidence for this bold assertion!

We’d all like to hear your concise, logical arguments.”

- 20 years in Afghanistan, weaponized. American people lied to for 20 years about what was needed to win in Afghanistan.

- Mentally deficient, political hack Xiden the Trojan Horse in the White House except on weekends.

- Attrition. Russia has more bodies to throw into the war.

- Attrition. Only question is how much territory Russia will take before their not so impressive military advances no further. Russia won’t give up what it has captured, no amount of weapons to Ukraine will change that.

If you care, I’d like to hear your concise, logical arguments why weapons will defeat Russia and drive it completely out of Ukraine.

Regards,


67 posted on 07/04/2022 5:15:03 AM PDT by Susquehanna Patriot
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To: MinorityRepublican
The motivation is there in Ukraine. Russia? Not so sure about that.

I have read that the Russian people overwhelmingly support Putin and the war in the Ukraine. Recall that this war started because of Ukraine's brutality to Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine.

68 posted on 07/04/2022 5:19:44 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Travis McGee

I was just watching this very interesting Lancaster video from Metalkino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=K8PwNQnhe-8


69 posted on 07/04/2022 5:24:32 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: dforest
There is no iron curtain anymore and hasn’t been for years. Are you Rip Van Winkle

LOL, Putin is bringing democracy to occupied areas or are they military police states? Please tell me of all the freedom currently enjoyed in Crimea.

'The Revolving Door of Persecution in Crimea'

Crimean Tatar Leader Arrested on Bogus Criminal Charges

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/09/07/revolving-door-persecution-crimea

70 posted on 07/04/2022 5:29:50 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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To: tlozo

Happy Independence Day.

71 posted on 07/04/2022 5:31:17 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: agere_contra
Russia is reminding the world what industrial warfare looks like.

That is the bottom line. Russia is waging and winning a war of annihilation. Much like we did in Germany 1944-45. Ukraine needs to sue for peace or all of eastern Ukraine will be reduced to rubble. But it appears that the Biden administration is prepared to fight until the last Ukrainian male is dead.

72 posted on 07/04/2022 5:33:37 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Susquehanna Patriot

I don’t argue with fools.


73 posted on 07/04/2022 5:39:41 AM PDT by bte
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To: agere_contra

Why are there no Western journalists reporting from the front lines on the other side?


74 posted on 07/04/2022 5:48:01 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Why are there no Western journalists reporting from the front lines on the other side?

Matthew Chance is the closest to that description that I've seen.

75 posted on 07/04/2022 6:02:50 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: bte

but US and Ukraine and ruled by fools. SAD it is a reflection of the population

***********

Yep, the fools need tools to rule.


76 posted on 07/04/2022 6:39:12 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: kabar

Finally a Dem who gets it.

*************

How many Reps get it? Not that many.

They’re awfully quiet. As usual.


77 posted on 07/04/2022 6:41:51 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Spok

We are the laughingstock of the world.

*************

That’s what happens when you have no leadership in a country.


78 posted on 07/04/2022 6:46:48 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: agere_contra

Got a link?


79 posted on 07/04/2022 7:01:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Here it is. Not very recent I’m afraid. And no foreign language comms with the locals such as you get with Lancaster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRLawN5KfY&ab_channel=AmanpourandCompany


80 posted on 07/04/2022 7:05:14 AM PDT by agere_contra
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