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Inside the Heated Scientific Debate to Redefine Who Is Dead
Yahoo.com ^ | July 2, 2022 | Adam Kovac

Posted on 07/03/2022 10:52:14 AM PDT by plain talk

It was March 10, 2022—day one of a virtual forum held over Zoom to re-write the Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA), a draft law that for four decades has been the basis for defining who is alive and who is dead in the United States. Many of those assembled were legal professionals who are members of the Uniform Law Commission, a quasi-governmental entity whose origins go back 125 years. It’s a crowded meeting of five dozen guests from both the legal and medical realms.

When drafting legislation, vocabulary counts for everything. Opposing viewpoints were passionately aired over seemingly minute details. Within this group, there were two sides: One believes that death is best described as permanent, and the other believes death is irreversible. The distinction is subtle, but critical. Fans of the latter definition argue that describing death as “permanent” doesn’t go far enough—death is only permanent if no medical action is taken, but irreversible means that nothing can be done.

In the Zoom call’s chat, Robert Truog, the director of Harvard’s Center for Bioethics and a practicing clinician in pediatric intensive care, had a bone to pick: He wanted to know if the others believed that “whole brain death”—where both the brain stem and the cerebrum are no longer functioning—equated to biological death.

He pointed to the case of a 4-year-old boy who was kept on life support for 20 years. Over the years, he underwent a stunted form of puberty, despite a subsequent autopsy showing his brain had long since calcified. ... it’s the case that best makes a point he has spent a career hammering home: Human beings do not need a brain to live.

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1 posted on 07/03/2022 10:52:14 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

I hope it alters the 2020 elections.


2 posted on 07/03/2022 10:53:22 AM PDT by Celerity
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To: plain talk

I don’t believe in assisted suicide, but I absolutely believe in pulling the plug. The only exception if if you are getting temporary “assisted” life while waiting for an organ to enable you to again be self sufficiently alive while walking down the street.

If the only thing keeping you alive is machinery plugged into a wall socket, You should have the option to unplug and put it in God’s hands.


3 posted on 07/03/2022 10:55:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: plain talk

“Human beings do not need a brain to live.”

Good news for Antifa and Black Lies Matter.


4 posted on 07/03/2022 10:55:42 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: plain talk

You’re not legally dead until you stop voting. /s


5 posted on 07/03/2022 10:57:11 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: plain talk

Funniest headline ever. Does braindead count? Because Slow Joe might be legally dead.


6 posted on 07/03/2022 10:58:43 AM PDT by Veto! (FJBsucksrocks)
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To: plain talk

Sounds like the job of state offices of vital statistics is being taken over by college professors and lawyers.


7 posted on 07/03/2022 11:00:16 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: cuban leaf
but I absolutely believe in pulling the plug. The only exception if if you are getting temporary “assisted” life while waiting for an organ to enable you to again be self sufficiently alive while walking down the street.

Ultimately it comes down to simple math, there are only so many life support machines available and not enough for those who need them. Keeping someone plugged in to one means someone else can't be.

I recall a few recent stories where truly hopeless patients were kept alive on machines because family members fought to keep them turned on. Yes, there are those "miracle" cases where someone who has been given up for brain-dead recovers but these cases are the extremely rare exception. Most of the time the doctors are right, the patients never recover, and massive expenses are incurred by the family.

The case of the 4-year old boy kept alive for 20 years is a curious one.

8 posted on 07/03/2022 11:02:34 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: plain talk

I reserve judgement until Miracle Max weighs in.


9 posted on 07/03/2022 11:02:49 AM PDT by Farmerbob
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Interesting but reminds me of the ongoing controversy of ‘Whether Hot Water Freezes Faster Than Cold’.....

https://www.quantamagazine.org/does-hot-water-freeze-faster-than-cold-physicists-keep-asking-20220629/

lulz


10 posted on 07/03/2022 11:05:55 AM PDT by cranked
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To: plain talk

Today, we don’t know what a woman is and we don’t know who is dead.

Even the most ignorant of people living back in the “Dark Ages” could answer those questions.


11 posted on 07/03/2022 11:08:58 AM PDT by Gnome1949
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To: plain talk

You man Biden fits the definition of being dead?


12 posted on 07/03/2022 11:11:24 AM PDT by Candor7 (ObamaFascism:https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: plain talk

Hire Doctor McCoy, he could tell in an instant if someone (or something) was dead.


13 posted on 07/03/2022 11:13:23 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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an old girlfriend’s dad was killed by the Social Security Office!

some MENSA member entered his SS# into the “Socially Subtracted” category and by time he found out, the damage was done.

try proving you are alive, when the computer says you’re dead!

and he was a bar owner, what a mess...


14 posted on 07/03/2022 11:14:22 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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“Human beings do not need a brain to live.”

Anyone who has ever done tech support or customer service knows this.


15 posted on 07/03/2022 11:17:05 AM PDT by brianl703
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To: Drew68

define alive. To the vast majority of us lying comatose on a machine somewhere is not life. It is interesting that most medical personnel that are the closest to these cases are the most adamant that nothing like that be done to them. A short stint on life support to aid recovery of a reversible illness? OK. But weeks or worse on life support? Ask doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists what they would want. the vehemence of their answers might surprise you.


16 posted on 07/03/2022 11:17:32 AM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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To: plain talk

As a boy I hated the fact that I’d be old. Really didn’t want to get old. I’ve never stopped resisting it. But here it is. Surprise assessment is I’m glad I’m not young.

I had a life. Sorry Charlie!


17 posted on 07/03/2022 11:21:10 AM PDT by Born in 1950 (Anti left, nothing else.)
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To: plain talk

As a boy I hated the fact that I’d be old. Really didn’t want to get old. I’ve never stopped resisting it. But here it is. Surprise assessment is I’m glad I’m not young.

I had a life. Sorry Charlie!


18 posted on 07/03/2022 11:21:14 AM PDT by Born in 1950 (Anti left, nothing else.)
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To: plain talk

Hint, brain cells die without O2 in 5 minutes.


19 posted on 07/03/2022 11:22:06 AM PDT by Kenny500c ( )
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To: plain talk

My lawyer brother once told me that “legal death” is defined as the inability of an organism to initiate or sustain litigation.


20 posted on 07/03/2022 11:25:05 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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