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The Man Most Responsible for Ending Roe Worries That It Could Hurt His Party
The New York Times ^ | June 24, 2022 | Maggie Haberman and Michael C. Bender

Posted on 06/25/2022 8:31:59 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The end of the landmark Roe v. Wade ruling was the culmination of decades of work by Republicans and social conservatives — one that came to pass only after a former Democrat from New York who had once supported abortion rights helped muscle through three Supreme Court justices.

Publicly, former President Donald J. Trump heralded the Supreme Court’s ruling on Friday ending federal abortion protections as a victory. Yet, as he faces possible prosecution over his efforts to subvert the 2020 election and prepares for a likely 2024 presidential campaign, Mr. Trump has privately told friends and advisers the ruling will be “bad for Republicans.”

When a draft copy of the decision leaked in May, Mr. Trump began telling friends and advisers that it would anger suburban women, a group who helped tilt the 2020 race to President Biden, and would lead to a backlash against Republicans in the November midterm elections.

In other conversations, Mr. Trump has told people that measures like the Texas state law banning most abortions after six weeks and allowing citizens to file lawsuits against people who enable abortions are “so stupid,” according to a person with direct knowledge of the discussions. The Supreme Court let the measure stand in December 2021.

For the first hours after the decision was made public on Friday, Mr. Trump was muted in response, a striking contrast to the conservatives who worked in his administration, including former Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Pence issued a statement saying, “Life won,” as he called for abortion opponents to keep fighting “in every state in the land.”

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To: Huskrrrr

April poll you can probably toss those results


61 posted on 06/25/2022 9:10:53 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

>> Female voters are not happy about ending Roe vs Wade and they’ll vote for the blue team in November. Just my .02

Really? You know the mindset of female voters?

You seem to have concerns about the overturning of Roe v Wade.


62 posted on 06/25/2022 9:10:53 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

That’s a lot of manure to shovel onto the pages of a flimsy failing has been of a newspaper.


63 posted on 06/25/2022 9:10:53 AM PDT by Boomer (Piss On A Marxist commie For Mommy! Stupid is forever!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I always believe anti-Trump stories from the NYT with multiple authors and unnamed sources. (/sarcasm) This story rates about a zero on the credibility scale.


64 posted on 06/25/2022 9:11:39 AM PDT by CommerceComet ("You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case, the government forgets the first." Rush Limbaugh )
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To: MinorityRepublican

laughable BS as usual from the Racist NY Times.


65 posted on 06/25/2022 9:12:43 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: CommerceComet

You’re giving the story too much credit


66 posted on 06/25/2022 9:13:20 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Let me guess.

Anonymous sources told the NY Slimes.


67 posted on 06/25/2022 9:13:29 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: PermaRag
If true, that’s all well and good at the House level but there are such things as statewide elections too — and increased turnout in the ghetto Democrat districts and suburban soccer mommy Democrat districts is obviously not going to be beneficial to Republican chances in those races.

Yeah, I'm not even going to pretend to predict how this will turn out for Republican gubernatorial candidates running tight races in swing states, especially after many of them will feel pressured to make promises to enact extremely restrictive statewide abortion bans.

68 posted on 06/25/2022 9:14:51 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not all female voters support abortion, and many of the super liberal ones will be in blue states anyway that matter less. That said, it’ll almost certainly help lift donations and some GOTV efforts (on both sides IMO).


69 posted on 06/25/2022 9:20:07 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: PermaRag
Those who say this ruling will have NO impact on Democrat and RINO (i.e., pro-abortionist) turnout in November are probably the same fools who believed that 2020 would be a landslide because Trump had all the “enthusiasm” on his side and Basement Biden had none whatsoever.

For the record, I was not one of these people.

I tend to believe that mainstream political opinions and those expressed here on Free Republic are often quite different.

70 posted on 06/25/2022 9:20:58 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Real women love babies. My wife, daughters and granddaughters are prime examples.

Dykes and skanks? Not so much.

71 posted on 06/25/2022 9:21:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: kiryandil

NY Times flops just the Democrat three ring circus January 6th, 2022 gig has flopped 100%....”Very few TV Viewers” TV Media CEOS look and are 100% Butt Wipes!!! They are not too bright in the brains department!!!

Hey, folks, catch Trump tonight in Illinois “Save America” Rally. Newsmax and Right Side Broadcasting Network are covering this great event....from start to finish!!!

Thanks.....POTUS, Donald John Trump....you chose Lord, God , Almighty. and Life for the unborn. America & God both bless you...sir!!!


72 posted on 06/25/2022 9:23:21 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I doubt it’s an issue in a week. But it is keeping Ukraine’s biggest defeats in the war off of the front pages, which is probably good as otherwise The Administration would notice what’s going on there and probably get directly involved.


73 posted on 06/25/2022 9:24:09 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: laconic

I doubt the authors have any evidence of President Trumps private conversation just simple minded projection


74 posted on 06/25/2022 9:26:26 AM PDT by daku
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To: MinorityRepublican

There 384,000 subscrbers to Pravda on the Hudson.

There are 2.834 million Wall Street Journal paper subscribers and nearly 2 million digital subscribers. They get the generally Conservative opinion page of the WSJ.


75 posted on 06/25/2022 9:27:33 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Drew68
I tend to believe that mainstream political opinions and those expressed here on Free Republic are often quite different.

All of us (all sides of the political spectrum) tend to gravitate to those sources of news and discussion that cause us the least angst. That angst exists because the stakes are so high and the political divisions are so broad.

That said, how are you defining 'mainstream political opinions'? Also, should every effort and every position be determined on the basis of its political costs - or do we follow our principles for those things that are most important to us?

76 posted on 06/25/2022 9:28:15 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: facedown

Any woman who votes for a democrat because of this decision....let’s face it, she wasn’t going to vote for a Republican anyway.


77 posted on 06/25/2022 9:33:32 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My body, my choice....but not when it comes down to unconstitutional "vaccine" mandates.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Trump is a New Yorker. He does not care about abortion. He knew he had to be pro-life and select judges approved by the Federalist Society to win.

So... being a New Yorker makes one pro-abortion? That's right out of the Democrat propaganda playbook.

Apparently Melania, who is very pro-life, opened Trump's eyes.

78 posted on 06/25/2022 9:43:16 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: neverevergiveup
That said, how are you defining 'mainstream political opinions'? Also, should every effort and every position be determined on the basis of its political costs - or do we follow our principles for those things that are most important to us?

Poll after poll has consistently shown over the years that a majority of Americans support some form of legal abortion but also support restrictions, whether these be parental notification laws or trimester limits.

These opinions are generally not shared on this forum. They are also not shared on the liberal forums where abortion should be offered any time for any reason, a position that is equally out of step with mainstream political opinions.

Winning elections often requires compromise. Holding strongly to principals often means losing. Is it better to compromise your principals and win or hold on to them and lose? In other words, is it better to support the candidate that represents 50% of your views and could win or the candidate who represents 100% of your views but has no chance at beating the candidate who represents 0% of your views?

79 posted on 06/25/2022 9:44:34 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: Drew68

“For the record, I was not one of these people.

I tend to believe that mainstream political opinions and those expressed here on Free Republic are often quite different.”

Nor I, and as to the second point sites like this can be every much the conservative echo chamber full of hopium and whistling-past-the-graveyard that places such as Twitter, Facebook, etc. are for liberals.

An example that comes to mind is when one of the supposedly respected conservative prognosticators posted on here in the summer of 2020 about something ridiculous like a “69-point enthusiasm gap” which compared enthusiasm FOR Trump to enthusiasm FOR Biden.

That, along with some other factors which were said to be important but turned out to be insignificant (like “college students not being present to vote on campuses due to COVID”) were to foreshadow a major Red Wave.

But even if that 69% number was accurate in its limited context, it was meaningless. The correct question for prospective Biden voters was NOT “How excited are you to vote FOR Joe Biden?”, it should have been “How excited are you to vote AGAINST Donald Trump?” Anyone truly interested in making an accurate prediction should have known that.

Goodbye 69-point advantage, and hello negative numbers.

It was always going to be close, although everyone who made any predictions about 2020 no matter how ludicrous (”Trump really won California and New York! And Massachusetts!) can always claim they were right because they believe they WOULD have been right had massive fraud not occurred.

Massive or at least well-targeted fraud DID occur in PA, AZ, GA, MI, WI, NV, etc., but not enough to make ludicrous wishes (”Trump won California!) become reality if it had not.


80 posted on 06/25/2022 9:45:28 AM PDT by PermaRag (We have SO many targets, and -- for now -- the means to see they get what they deserve.)
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