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New Discoveries on Shroud of Turin Directly Contradict 1988 Carbon Dating, Put It Roughly Around Judea Some 2,000 Years Ago
https://www.westernjournal.com/ ^ | June 12, 2022 | Jack Davis

Posted on 06/12/2022 4:46:31 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

New report finds Shroud of Turin dates back to the era of the earthly ministry of Jesus, contradicting 1988 evidence dating cloth as being centuries newer.

New scientific procedures says fabric in the shroud is about 2,000 years old.

The study also analyzed traces of pollen on the shroud.

“The pollen samples gathered are from plants that are native to not just the Middle East, but specifically the area around Judea, Palestine, and Syria within that time period,” said Brian Hyland, curator at Museum of the Bible.

“There’s also pollen from the area around Constantinople. There’s a lot of pollen from Europe,” suggesting the shroud traveled from the Holy Land through [now Turkey and France] to its current home in Italy since the 16th century.

“The only single sample they took did not represent anywhere else on the cloth because it had been manipulated,” said Barrie Schwortz.

Schwortz, who is Jewish, pushed back on claims the shroud was a creation of Leonardo DaVinci.

“The Shroud has been publicly shown 100 years before da Vinci was born. He was a good artist, but he wasn’t that good.”

Schwortz said that until he saw the shroud, he was “biased against it.”

“I even said, somewhere along the line to somebody that, you know, we’ll get to Turin, we’ll give it five minutes, we’ll find the paint, we’ll come home, we’ll be done.”

There is no paint on the cloth, however.

British David Rolfe new film, “Who Can He Be,” said his team produced a 3D image from data from the fabric. “The only way that the image could’ve got on to that cloth is a miraculous one. A miracle that emanated from the body with unbelievable amounts of energy but within an infinitesimally short space of time.”

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1 posted on 06/12/2022 4:46:31 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com; Swordmaker

Ping.


2 posted on 06/12/2022 4:47:41 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Bttt.

5.56mm


3 posted on 06/12/2022 4:50:00 PM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho got to go.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Surely not this during these times. Oh man...don’t bring this up, please.


4 posted on 06/12/2022 4:51:18 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Please advise, wtf are you talking about?


5 posted on 06/12/2022 4:53:22 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Amazing.
A stunning artifact of the Resurrection.
It exists because people recognized it for what it was and protected it.

For 2000 years.


6 posted on 06/12/2022 4:54:00 PM PDT by Adder (Dumblecrats: Spending $$ we don't have on crap we don't need for people who pay no taxes.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I don’t share mene’s distress per his post above. I believe the shroud to be genuine. The methodology on the carbon 14 was garbage and bungled. I’ve studied this as extensively as one can, given the available literature. All that said, this article adds nothing to the scholarship


7 posted on 06/12/2022 4:54:50 PM PDT by j.havenfarm (21 years on Free Republic, 12/10/21! More than 5000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What?


8 posted on 06/12/2022 4:56:39 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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9 posted on 06/12/2022 4:58:28 PM PDT by moovova
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

HELLO!!! Who could deny that this was the SHROUD of JESUS??


10 posted on 06/12/2022 4:58:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8furLWbjh0&t=0s

This is one of the best discussions I’ve seen about the Shroud of Turin.

Jack Sacco has examined the shroud and the way he describes the way the Resurrection happened and how it caused the effects on the shroud is fascinating.


11 posted on 06/12/2022 4:59:01 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (God is good, He loves us, and He is always with us.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
Here's the truth.
12 posted on 06/12/2022 4:59:09 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: moovova

WOW!! You are DEEP! And SMART too!!


13 posted on 06/12/2022 5:00:11 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

If its authentic its kinda weird how it has the image of Jesus developed centuries later and not the one in the earliest depictions.


14 posted on 06/12/2022 5:00:37 PM PDT by jarwulf
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

The best and most convincing evidence of the life, death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus was and is the New Testament bible. The Turn shroud is interesting but my belief is not based on relics, saintly or not.


15 posted on 06/12/2022 5:05:33 PM PDT by RicocheT
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In light of true faith, the shroud is irrelevant.


16 posted on 06/12/2022 5:06:59 PM PDT by Hardshell (Mollie Tibbetts)
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To: jarwulf

Actually the image we are familiar with are from photography, you can pull out contrast from something with negatives.


17 posted on 06/12/2022 5:09:33 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: RicocheT

The whole Bible. Remember that Jesus said what is called the Old Testament today “testif(ies) of me” (John 5:39).


18 posted on 06/12/2022 5:10:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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“The pollen samples suggest a journey of thousands of miles from Jerusalem, through modern-day Turkey, France, and now Italy, where the artifact has been kept since the 16th Century. “

And that makes it 2000 years old?


19 posted on 06/12/2022 5:11:41 PM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

When the flawed BS 1980s info. came out I remember the arrogant and self-satisfied Arthur C. Clarke mysteries of science series writers condescendingly concluding the hayseed Christians have been shut down.

Not true. The “science” that tries to replace religion has once again been shown to be wrong.


20 posted on 06/12/2022 5:12:48 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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