Posted on 06/02/2022 11:08:41 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
“but they would not be able to respond to it in any meaningful way”
Do you believe Russia cannot effect a kinetic strike on any target anywhere in the world?
Sell?
Interesting, so your argument is that if the USA ever attacks Russian forces directly, there is no possibility that Russia would ever respond in every way.
You are the greatest of all armchair generals on FR, I give you an award
I keep seeing comments like this tying Ukraine to the "deep state" or some nefarious scheme in DC. Why? Because they were paying off Hunter Biden or US officials? Why wouldn't they? They are a foreign power desperately trying to defend themselves. If some highly placed Americans have a hand out, why wouldn't they pay? Who isn't paying? Look at China or Saudi Arabia who have far more Americans bought and paid for than Ukraine ever has.
Most importantly, how is allowing Putin to conquer Ukraine in America's interests regardless of who was or was not paid off in DC?
These hellfire’s are NO joke..... They are nasty little things. Look them up and see what they can do.
And Russia is playing
War Games-————
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Game Over.
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Nuclur Winter.
Sell?? Yeh right....Is that how we get to say we’re not “supplying” them.
Hell Fire, yup.
Like a Bazooka
On a Beagle.
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Gray Beagle!
I believe “cannot” and “would not” have different meanings.
So in what way would the Russians respond that we don't already know about? They won't nuke us because we aren't threatening Russia's existence. The worst they could do is nuke Ukraine or part of Europe (which would exclude Britain and France because they have nukes). They still won't gain anything and risk a limited nuke response in return. They won't take an unlimited risk for such a limited gain as Ukraine, although they like to make a lot of noise as if they would.
You’re begging the question. Saying it’s not our business is the same as saying we don’t have an interest in the outcome, which is patently absurd.
“I have recently pointed out how quickly the tempo of modern warfare could bring into our very midst the physical attack which we must eventually expect if the dictator nations win this war.
There is much loose talk of our immunity from immediate and direct invasion from across the seas. Obviously, as long as the British Navy retains its power, no such danger exists. Even if there were no British Navy, it is not probable that any enemy would be stupid enough to attack us by landing troops in the United States from across thousands of miles of ocean, until it had acquired strategic bases from which to operate.
But we learn much from the lessons of the past years in Europe-particularly the lesson of Norway, whose essential seaports were captured by treachery and surprise built up over a series of years.The first phase of the invasion of this Hemisphere would not be the landing of regular troops. The necessary strategic points would be occupied by secret agents and their dupes- and great numbers of them are already here, and in Latin America.
As long as the aggressor nations maintain the offensive, THEY-not we—WILL CHOOSE the time and the place and the method of their attack.
That is why the future of all the American Republics is today in serious danger.
That is why this Annual Message to the Congress is unique in our history.
That is why every member of the Executive Branch of the Government and every member of the Congress faces great responsibility and great accountability.
The need of the moment is that our actions and our policy should be devoted primarily-almost exclusively—to meeting this foreign peril. For all our domestic problems are now a part of the great emergency.
Just as our national policy in internal affairs has been based upon a decent respect for the rights and the dignity of all our fellow men within our gates, so our national policy in foreign affairs has been based on a decent respect for the rights and dignity of all nations, large and small. And the justice of morality must and will win in the end.
Our national policy is this:
FIRST, by an impressive expression of the public will and without regard to partisanship, we are committed to all-inclusive national defense.
SECOND, by an impressive expression of the public will and without regard to partisanship, we are committed to full support of all those resolute peoples, everywhere, who are resisting aggression and are thereby keeping war away from our Hemisphere. By this support, we express our determination that the democratic cause shall prevail; and we strengthen the defense and the security of our own nation.
THIRD, by an impressive expression of the public will and without regard to partisanship, we are committed to the proposition that principles of morality and considerations for our own security will never permit us to acquiesce in a peace dictated by aggressors and sponsored by appeasers. We know that enduring peace cannot be bought at the cost of other people’s freedom.
In the recent national election there was no substantial difference between the two great parties in respect to that national policy. No issue was fought out on this line before the American electorate. Today it is abundantly evident that American citizens everywhere are demanding and supporting speedy and complete action in recognition of obvious danger.
Therefore, the IMMEDIATE NEED is a swift and driving increase in our armament production.
Leaders of industry and labor have responded to our summons. Goals of speed have been set. In some cases these goals are being reached ahead of time; in some cases we are on schedule; in other cases there are slight but not serious delays; and in some cases—and I am sorry to say very important cases—we are all concerned by the slowness of the accomplishment of our plans.
The Army and Navy, however, have made substantial progress during the past year. Actual experience is improving and speeding up our methods of production with every passing day. And today’s best is not good enough for tomorrow.
I am not satisfied with the progress thus far made. The men in charge of the program represent the best in training, in ability, and in patriotism. They are not satisfied with the progress thus far made. None of us will be satisfied until the job is done.
No matter whether the original goal was set too high or too low, our objective is quicker and better results. To give you two illustrations:
We are behind schedule in turning out finished airplanes; we are working day and night to solve the innumerable problems and to catch up.
We are ahead of schedule in building warships but we are working to get even further ahead of that schedule.
To CHANGE a whole nation from a basis of peacetime production of implements of peace to a basis of wartime production of implements of war is no small task. And the greatest difficulty comes at the beginning of the program, when new tools, new plant facilities, new assembly lines, and new ship ways must first be constructed before the actual materiel begins to flow steadily and speedily from them.
The Congress, of course, must rightly keep itself informed at all times of the progress of the program. However, there is certain information, as the Congress itself will readily recognize, which, in the interests of our own security and those of the nations that we are supporting, must of needs be kept in confidence.
NEW CIRCUMSTANCES are constantly begetting NEW NEEDS for our safety. I shall ask this Congress for greatly increased new appropriations and authorizations to carry on what we have begun.
I also ask this Congress for authority and for funds sufficient to manufacture additional munitions and war supplies of many kinds, to be turned over to those nations which are now in actual war with aggressor nations.
Our most USEFUL AND IMMEDIATE ROLE is to act as an arsenal for them as well as for ourselves. They do not need man power, but they do NEED billions of dollars worth of the weapons of defense.
- FDR 1941 state of union
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/annual-message-congress-the-state-the-union
You are actually arguing that if the USA directly attacks Russian forces, there is no possibility that Russia will do anything at all in response.
You’re not a little embarrassed?
if they would stop giving them weapons,peace would break out in a week or two.
Allow me to posit a guess: $5.4 Billion goes to the Big Guy.
“if they would stop giving them weapons, peace would break out in a week or two”
No.
“One of the tasks of the Russian army is to establish full control over the Donbas and southern Ukraine. This will provide a land corridor to the Crimea, as well as influence the vital objects of the Ukrainian economy,” Minnekaev said Friday at a meeting with the Union of Defense Industries, as reported by the Russian state-owned Interfax. “Control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria, where there are also facts of oppression of the Russian-speaking population.” Transnistria is a separatist region of Moldova that has so far not been officially involved in the war despite hosting a Russian military base since the 1990s.
The general’s words suggest that Moldova’s sovereign borders would also come under threat from further Russian expansion. Phony efforts to protect Russian-speaking peoples have often foreshadowed Putin’s imperial invasions.
In reality, Russian speakers have been struck down in the hundreds in eastern Ukraine during the brutal invasion.”
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-general-lets-slip-secret-115858854.html
This could become a reality versus a movie.
Eye in the sky!
Helen Merrin as commander of Brit killer drones
Eye in the Sky (2015 film)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The film opens in Nairobi, Kenya, where Alia Mo’Allim, a young girl, twirls a hula hoop in her backyard.
British Army Colonel Katherine Powell wakes up and hears that an undercover British/Kenyan agent has been murdered by the Al-Shabaab group. From Northwood Headquarters she takes command of a mission to capture three of the ten highest-level Al-Shabaab leaders, who are meeting in a safehouse in Nairobi.
A multinational team works on the capture mission, linked together by video and voice systems. Aerial surveillance is provided by a USAF MQ-9 Reaper drone controlled from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada by Second Lieutenant Steve Watts.
Undercover Kenyan field agents, including Jama Farah, use short-range ornithopter and insectothopter cameras to link in ground intelligence. Kenyan special forces are positioned nearby to make the arrest.
Facial recognition to identify human targets is done at Joint Intelligence Center Pacific at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. The mission is supervised in the United Kingdom by a COBRA meeting that includes British Lieutenant General Frank Benson, two full government ministers and a ministerial under-secretary.
Farah discovers that the three high-level targets are now arming two suicide bombers for what is presumed to be an attack on a civilian target. Powell decides that the imminent bombing changes the mission objective from “capture” to “kill”.
She requests Watts to prepare a precision Hellfire missile attack on the building, and solicits the opinion of her British Army legal counsel. To her frustration, her counsel advises her to seek approval from superiors. Benson asks permission from the COBRA members, who fail to reach a decision and refer the question up to the UK Foreign Secretary, presently on a trade mission to Singapore. He does not offer a definite answer and defers to the United States Secretary of State, who immediately declares the American suicide bomber an enemy of the state. The Foreign Secretary then insists that COBRA take due diligence to minimise collateral damage.
Alia, who lives next door, is now near the target building selling her mother’s bread. The senior military personnel stress the risk of letting would-be suicide bombers leave the house. The lawyers and politicians involved in the chain of command argue the personal, political and legal merits of and justification for launching a Hellfire missile attack in a friendly country not at war with the US or UK, with the significant risk of collateral damage. Watts can see the more direct risk of little Alia selling bread outside the targeted building, and they seek to delay firing the missile until she moves.
Farah is directed to try and buy all of Alia’s bread so she will leave, but after paying her his cover is blown and he is forced to flee without collecting it. Seeking authorisation to execute the strike, Powell orders her risk-assessment officer to find parameters that will let him quote a lower 45% risk of civilian deaths. He re-evaluates the strike point and assesses the probability of Alia’s death at 45–65%.
She makes him confirm only the lower figure, and then reports this up the chain of command. The strike is authorised, and Watts fires a missile. The explosion destroys the building and injures Alia, but one conspirator survives. Watts is ordered to fire a second missile, which strikes the site just as Alia’s parents reach her. They rush Alia to a hospital, where she is pronounced dead.
In the London situation room, the under-secretary berates Benson for killing from the safety of his chair. Benson counters that he has been on the ground at five suicide bombings and adds as he is leaving, provoking her to tears: “Never tell a soldier that he does not know the cost of war.”
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