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Andrew Follett says ‘the media is telling you two major lies’ about mass shootings and gun control Posted at 6:23 pm on May 25, 2022 by Brett T.
We forget who said yesterday — maybe a senator or congressman — that the availability of guns is what makes the United States an outlier in mass shootings, not mental health. Every country has its share of sickos, but in the United States, it’s easier for those sickos to get their hands on an assault rifle because there are just so many of them available.
Andrew Follett of the Club for Growth posted a lengthy thread Wednesday on “two major lies” the media is telling us about mass shootings and gun control. The idea, of course, is that Europe, for example, has strong gun control laws and therefore fewer if any mass shootings. People are tweeting all sorts of graphs about the numbers of mass shootings in different countries, but add them up, and the United States isn’t quite the shooting gallery that the media and Democrats make it out to be.
A thread on how the media is telling you two major lies about mass shootings and gun control
1: Other countries with vastly stricter gun laws than the US have higher rates of mass shootings.
2: US jurisdictions w/ gun laws have exponentially higher rates of gun violence#2A
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Although events in the U.S. tend to get the lion's share of media exposure, mass shootings are clearly a worldwide issue.
The US makes up about 1.15% of the world's mass shootings while having almost 5% of the world's population. pic.twitter.com/ZveoRG8InU
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Out of 97 countries with data, the US is 64th in frequency of mass shootings and 65th in murder rate.
And rates of mass shootings elsewhere are rising faster pic.twitter.com/SRrC1YYFod
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
4 times as many per capita died in mass shootings in FRANCE as in the US. 21 times in Norway.
In addition to those fairly nice nations, Finland, Germany, Israel, Italy, Spain, and Switzerland have higher mass shooting death rates. pic.twitter.com/pfFck8vW6m
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
All of those are pretty nice countries which MUCH stricter gun control laws than the US…and all have higher per capita deaths from mass shootings than the US.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
According to this 2018 study (surveying data over an 18 year period), the US is 64th in the world in terms of mass shooting rates per capita (which sounds far worse than it is…because all the countries in gray below didn't report data.) https://t.co/VHcQAgkl3n
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
If anything our policy structure is actually pretty good at preventing this by global standards…especially relative to fairly nice countries of the type we want to compare America to.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
2: The highest gun-ownership state with the loosest gun laws in the nation is Wyoming, where 59.7% of households have a gun (really!)
Wyoming gun laws are arguably the LEAST restrictive in the United States.https://t.co/bCTb9o0CX8
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Wyoming does NOT HAVE a gun homicide problem, with a rate of only 1.4 per 100,000–actually lower than right across the border in more gun-controlled Canada– and only about a third of that of the nation as a whole.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
The highest murder rate of any jurisdiction in the US is Washington, DC, which has a murder rate of 21.8 per 100,000… more than twenty times that of most European countries!
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
But DC also has the most restrictive gun laws in the country… and the lowest rates of legal gun ownership, with numbers less than in many European states!https://t.co/sVyAIuGzlq
[Gulp]
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
I'd say that data suggests that the factors making DC have such high gun violence rates are part of the story of why America as a whole is so deadly, but these cannot include high gun ownership or a lack of gun regulation…by definition.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
If stricter gun laws reduced gun violence rates, you'd expect jurisdictions with those laws to have lower rates of gun violence.
Instead, we find quite the opposite.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Now, maybe you think "of course those jurisdictions have higher gun violence rates, that's why they enacted the laws."
I doubt that…but the data is CLEAR that those laws haven't reduced the rates.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
The factors making DC so deadly are part of the story of why America as a whole is so deadly, but these cannot include high gun ownership.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
And blaming this on Republicans' (which Libs made trend ALL of yesterday is…stupid.
Washington DC hasn't had a Republican mayor since literally 1933…and hasn't had a single Republican on its city council since 2008. https://t.co/4SAXpcG0MB.https://t.co/HKQCQH0pgm pic.twitter.com/W3XcQEOSim
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
The same thing is true of ALL the cities with REALLY BAD gun homicide rates.
In 2019:
St Louis, 64.54 murders per 100k, last GOP Mayor left in 1949
Its the 9th most violent city in the world. pic.twitter.com/LIJhKVsyI7
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
The murder rate in Baltimore is 58.27 per 100,000.
Its the 11th most violent city in the world…and has VERY strict gun laws. pic.twitter.com/nqOHI8sRnM
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
This goes and and on down the list…check it for yourself.
I stopped looking for a Republican mayor after a while because it was all Dems forever. https://t.co/JvoEiSouti
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Yet…as I noted yesterday…
Libs PRIMARY RESPONSE is to blame the GOP for this…when they are LITERALLY THE ONES IN CHARGE of the cities choking under gun violence. https://t.co/I9r1cu82ig
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Yep. Republicans are the problem, and yet who runs Washington, D.C., New York City, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, etc.? Of course, liberals have found a workaround; they claim that all of the illegal guns in, say, Chicago, are brought in from neighboring states with less strict gun control laws. Even if that’s true, the gun control laws on the books aren’t doing much to stop it.
What an amazing thread, thank you for posting!!!
— David Camarillo (@DJ_Camarillo) May 25, 2022
Best thread I've read in a very LONG time. Thank you.
— Daniel Yugami Hites (@Dealing4Aces) May 25, 2022
Stop with all the facts!! They go against the narrative! Great roll up. Kudos
— Shaun Smith (@Limitsduckcalls) May 25, 2022
Too soon for this tweet. I'm just crying for 4th graders today.
— Dane Witbeck (@DaneWitbeck) May 25, 2022
I actually intentionally waited to do this till today to give a bit of distance.
I understand your point though.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) May 25, 2022
Plus it’s the anniversary of George Floyd’s murder, who was shot by police — have some respect.
Someone posted the link yesterday- I can’t remember if I posted another, but I’ll check
Yes, I’m looking now. I did find the stats in web sea4ch yesterday to back up what another poster had posted- several sites showed the stats and al. Were very close in numbers- ill keep searching my comments fro yesterday for the link
I’m not finding it right now, I can’t remember if I posted link or not, maybe I didn’t see it in my comments though, but here is a few links. The first site claims 25 a day
https://redice.tv/news/u-s-sheriffs-fed-up-as-25-americans-are-killed-each-day-by-illegal-immigrants
This report states that 20 deaths per day from illegals jusy for drunk driving, a d doesn’t include outright murder by illegals
Dad’s grief leads to quest to count deaths caused by illegal immigrant drivers
I’m pretty sure the comment I read yesterday stated it was 12 people per day murdered, so not really sure how high the number of people,killed by illegals in al. Killings woild,be
What does he call a “mass shooting?” Liberals often use three victims in their ludicrous listings.
Bookmark
Here are more cited stats that show 25,000 people in 6 years just for outright homicides ending in 2009, 12 years ago.
“Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.”
“Here are the numbers of crimes per day committed by illegal aliens in just a few crime categories, based on those GAO numbers and the 90% figure for SCAAP persons over four years.
Kidnappings: 9
Murders: 15
Sex offenses: 43
Burglaries: 71
Assaults: 131
“
The site lists several fbi stats with links for those years a decade ago.
Thanks, Ill do some googling, but if you find a link, send it my way. :)
Wyoming gun laws ....
This just brought up old memories of an attempted school massacre at Cokeville Wyoming way back in 1986. The perp was a real loon!
https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/cokeville-elementary-school-bombing
Ok will do. The ,ast post has links to actual stats, but it’s just for homicides by illegals, not overall killings like drunk driving, accidentsl deaths, etc.
I suddenly remembered a couple of mass killings in Greenland back in 1990 and 2012.
The Narsaq massacre of 1990. Seven dead. Rifle used.
The murder of two women and a child in Nutaarmiut. No guns involved in this one.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284563517_Homicide_in_Greenland_1985-2010
“The (Greenland) homicide rate ranged from 25/100,000 inhabitants to 13/100,000 inhabitants”
Jusy went through comments again- I guess I didn’t post a link yesterday, but I could swore I did. I,also,remember discussing the issue and comparing it to firearm deaths- 8mmust be losing my mind . I’ll find more stats though later- I do remember several links listing stats on it. Liberals are disputing the stats of course because it reflects badly on illegals who. They are trying to flood our country with.
How would anyone obtain this statistic? If a survey calls your home and asks if you own a gun, who would answer such a question?
ABC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/NBC/NPR does not want any facts that do not fit the agenda and narrative assigned to it.
Last night national new said there had been 213 MASS shootings in USA since 1-1-22.
That implied there had been 213 EVENTS.
Perhaps 213 dead——BUT certainly NOT 213 events.
The heaviest concentration of Wyoming population is in Missoula-—Colleges—and LIBERALS. Very dense compared to most of the state.
I have ridden long distance horse events in Wyoming-—a 50 mile at Antelope Ski resort & a 100 mile in the Big Horn mountains, camping at Shell Creek...a ONE loop 100 mile event...both in 1988.
Then, in 2001, I rode with a number of other riders on the Pony Express Trail from St Joseph, Mo to Virginia City, NV.
We rode from east to west, entering near Register Cliffs & going out west of Evanston. We had a lunch stop on a ranch on the N Laramie River. They watched the vet check proceedings....and were amazed at how much was checked & looked after at each of these mandatory stops/holds. The Peterson Ranch.
THEIR mail delivery is only 3 days a week—the mail lady does another route the other 3 days. Her kids go 48 miles one way to school. SHE goes 98 miles one way to Laramie to do shopping. Everyone we encountered was beyond helpful & friendly.
The country was beautiful-—IN the summer. IF it wasn’t so cold there in the winter, I would have thought seriously about finding property there when I left Calif in 2004.
Thank you.
I guess if it’s government funded mass murder in the scale of TENS of THOUSANDS like in russia and ukraine it’s perfectly AoKay:-)
Added two more what?
Thanks for Thread Reader links. I used to see them on Thomas Wictor posts. How does one get a list of available Threads?
How many Hispanics?
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