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I look at both sides do you....somehow I doubt it

The west is mostly lies.....especially the fanboy stuff and Russia is on the run

These civilians are not lying

It’s a region where 89.9% voted for autonomy in 2014

Azov knows this and being the Uber nationalist goons they are don’t like them and have been killing them since 2014

I made no comment about Russian atrocities in Ukraine but since you brought it up I’d wager since it’s Russia yes they are capable

Problem is can’t trust one word from the globalist media monolith you now for some reason view as truthful after being liars nearly all my life

But I have seen atrocities committed by ukrop and Azov falsely attributed DRP and Russia like the raped murdered swatzika girl and the shot up family fleeing early

But in the east where nearly all the war actually is taking place if you listen to the citizenry nearly all attacks on civilians by mortars or arty or personal murders are Azov and in some cases Ukrop.....maybe not Uke regular army who seem to be more restrained

These civilians are not lying....they are not coached ....they are random

All over Mariupol and they hate Azov and other militias they have dealt with for 8 years

I saw a video tonight from a few weeks ago not far from Azovstal with 100s of dead civilians along the road ....men kids and women....some shot
Some small explosive devices wounds

Witnesses claimed Azov did it while leaving with small arms from vehicles and throwing explosives ...and since Azov has shelled the areas from the Azovstal vicinity......which is why Russia forced the DRP to allow them taken prisoner when the local seps wanted total black flag

Another video was a local hospital near there which Azov occupied and dozens found ...mostly women....some hands bound and executed....again same blame

Now I’m sure you think they are lying since it doesn’t fit your Cold War never ended mentality but I don’t think they are ....

Doesn’t t mean Russians and DRP don’t execute too but the proof is the locals see them as liberators from Azov

And guess what before maiden that would likely have not been the case....at least not as strongly so

And some also have felt abandoned by the DRP who gave up territory at times leaving them to Azov mercies which are few

The east is the only part so far where total war as you guys like to call it is happening and that’s what I see from everyone reporting who is actually there which means no big media western reporters are there

They are in Kiev or Poland being spoonfed by Uke agit prop and then passing it on to you.

It doesn’t matter the sentiments of these ground reporters some of whom are autonomy prone and some not

The civilians paying the price are not lying ......just doesn’t look that way to me but I’ve watched it and I doubt any pro war here has

My view on the war is both sides have plausible reasons for fighting

The east should be free to leave but then I am southern of an age old enough to know more than millennials about that so I’m prejudiced

I can understand why Putin doesn’t want nato on his border

I also understand why Ukraine wishes to preserve its border integrity ...wish we did

We had a chance with Russia to normalize till we decided to bomb Serbia brought to you by the same crowd wants more war now and has been disastrous more often than not since the end of WWII

And fed by a lying media that lives to destroy what this forum used to stand for Liberty the Founders and western civ based on Christian morality

Which they detest

They are a far bigger threat than Putin

Who wins I don’t care

Ukraine is not worth our cash or blood or risk of total war including nukes

Poorest country in Europe ....a nation like Trump said Belgium is but more so....the old wild east....fought over by every tribe to be in the area since the Rus and mongols and Hungarians and poles and Lithuanians and so on even goes back to Roman and Greek incursions...Black Sea ports, farmland, resources and Kiev make it desirable ....always have I guess

We should let them fight it out....Putin will win and I think take what he said ....the east in some form with local support as I’ve stated and no nato

But he’ll pay a price already has

And we’re trying: to extend it by giving this sort of country that’s had I think three coups in 11 years and imprisons opposition leaders pell mell and is obviously a far piggy bank for corrupt western politicos and lobbyists but which we call a democracy ...laughable ...a ton of cash we don’t have and civilians will continues to die for this proxy war Putin ultimately wins albeit at a higher cost....is that worth it to you

While our borders are wide open, gas and food prices have gone crazy, social engineering run amuck and inflation worst since Carter all brought by globalists and tech media and neocons and feckless GOPe acting it concert

“I hate Russia”

Is not good enough

Not for me

But you feel free ..