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I look at both sides do you....somehow I doubt it

The west is mostly lies.....especially the fanboy stuff and Russia is on the run

These civilians are not lying

It’s a region where 89.9% voted for autonomy in 2014

Azov knows this and being the Uber nationalist goons they are don’t like them and have been killing them since 2014

I made no comment about Russian atrocities in Ukraine but since you brought it up I’d wager since it’s Russia yes they are capable

Problem is can’t trust one word from the globalist media monolith you now for some reason view as truthful after being liars nearly all my life

But I have seen atrocities committed by ukrop and Azov falsely attributed DRP and Russia like the raped murdered swatzika girl and the shot up family fleeing early

But in the east where nearly all the war actually is taking place if you listen to the citizenry nearly all attacks on civilians by mortars or arty or personal murders are Azov and in some cases Ukrop.....maybe not Uke regular army who seem to be more restrained

These civilians are not lying....they are not coached ....they are random

All over Mariupol and they hate Azov and other militias they have dealt with for 8 years

I saw a video tonight from a few weeks ago not far from Azovstal with 100s of dead civilians along the road ....men kids and women....some shot
Some small explosive devices wounds

Witnesses claimed Azov did it while leaving with small arms from vehicles and throwing explosives ...and since Azov has shelled the areas from the Azovstal vicinity......which is why Russia forced the DRP to allow them taken prisoner when the local seps wanted total black flag

Another video was a local hospital near there which Azov occupied and dozens found ...mostly women....some hands bound and executed....again same blame

Now I’m sure you think they are lying since it doesn’t fit your Cold War never ended mentality but I don’t think they are ....

Doesn’t t mean Russians and DRP don’t execute too but the proof is the locals see them as liberators from Azov

And guess what before maiden that would likely have not been the case....at least not as strongly so

And some also have felt abandoned by the DRP who gave up territory at times leaving them to Azov mercies which are few

The east is the only part so far where total war as you guys like to call it is happening and that’s what I see from everyone reporting who is actually there which means no big media western reporters are there

They are in Kiev or Poland being spoonfed by Uke agit prop and then passing it on to you.

It doesn’t matter the sentiments of these ground reporters some of whom are autonomy prone and some not

The civilians paying the price are not lying ......just doesn’t look that way to me but I’ve watched it and I doubt any pro war here has

My view on the war is both sides have plausible reasons for fighting

The east should be free to leave but then I am southern of an age old enough to know more than millennials about that so I’m prejudiced

I can understand why Putin doesn’t want nato on his border

I also understand why Ukraine wishes to preserve its border integrity ...wish we did

We had a chance with Russia to normalize till we decided to bomb Serbia brought to you by the same crowd wants more war now and has been disastrous more often than not since the end of WWII

And fed by a lying media that lives to destroy what this forum used to stand for Liberty the Founders and western civ based on Christian morality

Which they detest

They are a far bigger threat than Putin

Who wins I don’t care

Ukraine is not worth our cash or blood or risk of total war including nukes

Poorest country in Europe ....a nation like Trump said Belgium is but more so....the old wild east....fought over by every tribe to be in the area since the Rus and mongols and Hungarians and poles and Lithuanians and so on even goes back to Roman and Greek incursions...Black Sea ports, farmland, resources and Kiev make it desirable ....always have I guess

We should let them fight it out....Putin will win and I think take what he said ....the east in some form with local support as I’ve stated and no nato

But he’ll pay a price already has

And we’re trying: to extend it by giving this sort of country that’s had I think three coups in 11 years and imprisons opposition leaders pell mell and is obviously a far piggy bank for corrupt western politicos and lobbyists but which we call a democracy ...laughable ...a ton of cash we don’t have and civilians will continues to die for this proxy war Putin ultimately wins albeit at a higher cost....is that worth it to you

While our borders are wide open, gas and food prices have gone crazy, social engineering run amuck and inflation worst since Carter all brought by globalists and tech media and neocons and feckless GOPe acting it concert

“I hate Russia”

Is not good enough

Not for me

But you feel free ..

“Problem is can’t trust one word from the globalist media monolith you now for some reason view as truthful after being liars nearly all my life...They are in Kiev or Poland being spoonfed by Uke agit prop and then passing it on to you.”

Just an example was from this week:

The Azov Steelworks was completely surrounded by by Russian/DPR troops for a month, something that the Western media DID report.

The Russians made it clear that there was not going to be any negotiation, either come out and surrender, or die down there. And then the Russians calmly waited (albeit knocking on the door there once in a while).

Then, this week, unarmed people, with white flags start emerging in significant numbers, and walked over to Russian lines. Since they weren’t dead, and the Russians hadn’t changed their stance, it was clearly a SURRENDER.

Ukraine calls this an ‘evacuation’, implying it’s a withdraw or redeployment, and literally, NEVER ONCE, used the term ‘surrender’ for the first 24 hours. Literally NONE of the Western media, not one.

To repeat, not a SINGLE Western media site called it a surrender. Russian media sites did immediately call it a surrender, but none of the Western media sites. After about 24 hours, the term ‘surrender’ started popping up on Western sites and now the term is used.

So, who gave the order to Western media to call it an “Evacuation” and what other orders are they giving? Also, why hasn’t the Western Media admit that they were tricked? Because they weren’t tricked.

So, also, why trust ANY story coming out of the West, when the above happened right before our eyes.

“These civilians are not lying”

Nor do they have all the truth or want it. Civilians always want what they think they need and not necessarily what others want and better than half is hearsay and rumor. So you trust them and their agenda and not the media? That’s a toss up. Both have something to sell in this case. And they accomplish the same destination from different directions…one knows and the other wants. But they are interchangeable.

“Witnesses claimed Azov did it…”

Bluto did it. Azov has been part of the Russian efforts and was formed as a volunteer paramilitary militia starting in May 2014. They’ve been Putin’s personal goon squad for many years. You could call them the Russian mafia with Putin as the don. They’ve done a lot worse than what the media will tell you. Under today’s terminology they would be called terrorists.

But the regiment was not placed into the foreign terrorist organization list in early 2022, under the Biden administration, and during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. However the US continued to officially ban arms support to Azov via the yearly Consolidated Appropriations Act accomplished under Trump. So if it’s looks like a duck….

We didn’t need to be over there and had no horse in the race. And you will always have to recognize a few fools that get into these types of situations for a number of their personal reasons. An example is Kyle Rittenhouse. But if Biden hadn’t done the dirty work with the petroleum industry he did, we wouldn’t have a pony there now as that’s the only thing we actually need from Russia. And all he’s doing is pressing forward with the agenda of making the American people subservient any way he can to anyone he wishes since he’s the face. And he’s not the one who is going to pay the bill.

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