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3 Realities Chance Can’t Explain About Life’s Origins That Intelligent Design Can
The Federalist.com ^ | May 17, 2022 | Granville Sewell

Posted on 05/17/2022 7:38:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: BipolarBob

He sure did.


21 posted on 05/17/2022 8:08:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

He brings up points that I’ve thought about for a long time, but I like my questioning better.

1. The Origin of life.
Let’s say we accept that life burst into being from a primeval soup. That is, the temperature, the atmospheric pressure, the chemical mixture, etc. was just right so that a living creature was formed from it, a single-cell, very basic creature.

Here’s my question: How did these creatures make the leap from being a one-time occurrence that lives briefly and then dies out to being able to reproduce themselves and maintain the population after the primeval soup is different?

2. The Origin of Advanced Life Forms.
Suppose there are creatures that can reproduce copies of themselves. How did these creatures make the leap such that reproduction requires a sexual mating? And the creatures can’t go back to not needing a mate for reproduction? And why are there no creatures that require 3 (or more) different individuals to produce one new creature with the variations that would occur from requiring the multiple individuals?


22 posted on 05/17/2022 8:11:56 AM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: jdege

DON’T PANIC.

Also, don’t forget your towel.


23 posted on 05/17/2022 8:14:07 AM PDT by Dutch Boy (The only thing worse than having something taken from you is to have it returned broken. )
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To: glorgau

Surely you aren’t so egotistical to not realize that God indeed gave us wings?

Everything that we are, everything that we know, everything that we create was given to us by God. He gave us our intelligence and our free will. All that we have derives from that gift. The wings of a plane created by man were given to us by God.


24 posted on 05/17/2022 8:21:08 AM PDT by sipow
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To: Kaslin

The first mistake here is the assumption that hairless monkeys, only a few million years from screeching through the treetops and flinging shit at each other have the capacity to comprehend the nature, intentionality, and purpose of the universe. The propensity for humankind to anthropomorphize a creator and then reason backwards is the pinnacle of hubris. If people simply treated each other better we could dispense with all these campfire stories (which they are) and settle on a simpler working model that doesn’t just make people smug because they think they know something you don’t, and foment centuries of bloody war, instead of just accepting our predicament and making the best of it.


25 posted on 05/17/2022 8:21:28 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: libertylover

Another question along those lines: the Earth is huge compared to primordial life so why didn’t different combinations of base pairs evolve into different types of RNA and then DNA and then animals with different DNA?


26 posted on 05/17/2022 8:23:38 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: glorgau

If birds were not suppose to fly God would have made them all chickens.


27 posted on 05/17/2022 8:27:01 AM PDT by Leep (Don't say God.)
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To: Kaslin

We can create incredibly complex machines from the material world, yet as far as I know, we do not seem to be able to create even the most basic organic life form. Yet, we are to believe that original life was created spontaneously and randomly. And it was able to reproduce itself. Such a premise defies logic, and science as we know it.


28 posted on 05/17/2022 8:27:34 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: SpaceBar
Aquinas and others have not anthropomorphized God. For centuries, at least among Christians, God is believed to be divinely simple, the only necessary being, a being whose existence is His essence, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. He exists outside of space and time and has no parts.

I don't know of any human who has these characteristics. The idea that God is an old man with a long gray beard is just a pale imitation that some artists have resorted to and most atheists utilize as a strawman for their faulty arguments.

29 posted on 05/17/2022 8:31:17 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: sipow

Similarly, God gave us cupholders for our morning commutes.


30 posted on 05/17/2022 8:34:35 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: glorgau
If man were meant to fly God would have given him wings.

Do you drive?

31 posted on 05/17/2022 8:38:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Kaslin

On the other hand, if the bible is any guide, it would seem that humans have devolved, as outside of some modern improvements in understanding and curing human ailments, humans live relative short lives compared to the length of lifetimes given early in Genesis. Maybe it is also true for other living species. The idea poses an interrupting question to both intelligent design and evolution. Is it all another reason for the Messiah’s intervention?


32 posted on 05/17/2022 8:44:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: glorgau

Indeed, and in fact, man cannot fly. Man’s machines can fly, only with outside inputs,unlike flying animals all of all kinds. They are able to do so all by themselves, because of their design.

Man cannot fly.


33 posted on 05/17/2022 8:50:10 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: alexander_busek

God will not be mocked


34 posted on 05/17/2022 8:51:20 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Pollard

Wing shapes


35 posted on 05/17/2022 8:56:25 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SpaceBar

Define and explain “treat each other better”.

Where does a concept of “ treat better” come from?

Morality? Expediency?

Atoms know no morality. Bacteria know it not, too.

Why humans?


36 posted on 05/17/2022 8:56:47 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: alexander_busek

That describes the Panspermia theory very well. And the reason why that theory came around was that the statistical origins of life forming by chance were determined to be on the orders of trillions of trillions of trillions to 1.


37 posted on 05/17/2022 8:57:54 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kaslin

the fact that a giraffe can eat from the ground and raise up again without having his head filled with blood, illustrates unique design to me...


38 posted on 05/17/2022 9:03:38 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( If My people will pray ....)
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To: Tell It Right
Goodness! Where do I start?

3,500 years ago the book of Genesis said God created man from the dust of the earth. This was before it became chic for the Greeks to say that everything is made from the same elements (of course they had just 4 elements, but I'll cut them some slack for living a long time ago). Genesis was also before we had the periodic table of elements, with us now believing mankind to being carbon based. Some "wizard", huh?

You call this "compelling evidence?!" This is the forensic-level proof and Aristotelian Logic you proffer to support your supposition?! "Man was made from dust," and you claim that this comports with Modern Science?! Puh-leeze!

It's also fascinating to me that modern archaeology supports the sequence of animals appearing in the Genesis text (plants, fish and birds, land animals, man).

In the first Biblical account (Genesis 1:1-2:3), mankind is presented as the climax of God’s creation after He created vegetation and animals.

In the second account (Genesis 2:4), God first creates man, then plants and vegetation in the Garden of Eden, then makes animals, and finally creates woman. This does NOT comport with Modern Science!

Further, Genesis claims that the creation of the Earth preceded the formation of the Sun. This contradicts Modern Science!

And where do we believe the first human civilization was? Mesopotamia was in the Fertile Crescent in modern day Iraq -- where Genesis says the Garden of Eden was between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.

Very weak argument. There was no single "Cradle of Civilization," and the Indus Valley and Egypt likewise vie for the title.

You have also liberally indulged in "cherry-picking" - i.e., you've cited only those items which seem (I'm being very charitable here) to support your side.

Regards,

39 posted on 05/17/2022 9:05:32 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Pollard; BipolarBob
God gave man the capacity to make flying machines to fly in.

Yes by copying his design of wing shape.

The rocket that flew to the Moon in July of 1969 did not copy any bird anatomy!

Regards,

40 posted on 05/17/2022 9:07:35 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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