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‘They were furious’: the Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine
Guardian UK ^ | 5/12/2022 | Pjotr Sauer

Posted on 05/13/2022 7:09:08 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Troops are saying no to officers, knowing that punishment is light while Russia is not technically at war.

When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade were told in early April to prepare for a second deployment to Ukraine, fear broke out among the ranks.

The unit, stationed in Russia’s far east during peacetime, first entered Ukraine from Belarus when the war started at the end of February and saw bitter combat with Ukrainian forces.

“It soon became clear that not everyone was onboard with it. Many of us simply did not want to go back,” said Dmitri, a member of the unit who asked not to be identified with his real name. “I want to return to my family – and not in a casket.”

Along with eight others, Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. “They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn’t much they could do,” he said.

He was soon transferred to Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, where he has been stationed since. “I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June. I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here,” he said. “I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren’t officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: peterhitchens; pjotrsauer; putin; russia; straightuppropaganda; ukraine
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To: JonPreston

Is that the guy who has your ‘package”?


41 posted on 05/13/2022 1:09:20 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Vermont Lt
I am not making any difference

No shite, Sherlock.

42 posted on 05/13/2022 1:09:57 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: PIF

You Neocons do money packages for corrupt, political demigods, I oppose them.


43 posted on 05/13/2022 1:13:34 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: JonPreston

Oh oh your snappy come backs are wearing out. Your prospective CCP handler gal is watching with a keen eyes your every mistake, mistakes which will lower both your negotiation power and your entry position.


44 posted on 05/13/2022 1:21:12 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF

45 posted on 05/13/2022 1:24:32 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: DesertRhino
Yes. A soldier refusing here would be lucky to avoid prison. You know, because we are a free country.
46 posted on 05/13/2022 1:27:56 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: JonPreston

Yeah, I understand it. You are on here every day with your delusional support of a bunch of mongrel savages.

Tell me, how thick was your mom’s mustache? Like Stalin’s? Or was she a goatee commie like Lenin?


47 posted on 05/13/2022 5:06:53 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: JonPreston

So, tell me…do they teach rape in Russia’s basic training? Or is it something you learn with your sisters?

This is an American site. Go back to your Russian butt boys.


49 posted on 05/13/2022 6:47:54 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: marcusmaximus
Pointing to Russia’s military laws, Benyash said it would be more difficult for soldiers to refuse to fight if Russia were to declare a full-scale war. “During wartime, rules are totally different. Refusal then would mean much harsher penalties. They would be looking at time in prison.”

Sounds like they should get out while the gettins good.

50 posted on 05/13/2022 6:57:03 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is i)
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To: kiryandil

You Putler fanbois are the ones writing propaganda.

We KNOW this stuff is true. BEYOND THE SHADOW OF DOUBT.

Russian soldiers are using unsecure communications. They regularly use cell phones, unencrypted radios, etc. to talk to one another.

There is NO DOUBT at all the authenticity of Russian soldiers refusing to fight. They have been heard by MANY people. And not just gubmint people either. Regular citizens can overhear them and have.

Your efforts to obfuscate won’t change the truth, whether or not UK prints it or not.


51 posted on 05/13/2022 7:43:46 PM PDT by Vaden (CAUTION: Defending Putin=Defending Hitler=MAGA Destruction)
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To: Cathi

PUtler thanks you for your support.

You lying freak.


52 posted on 05/13/2022 7:44:49 PM PDT by Vaden (CAUTION: Defending Putin=Defending Hitler=MAGA Destruction)
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To: Vermont Lt

His tagline applies to him and his ilk also.


53 posted on 05/13/2022 7:45:55 PM PDT by Vaden (CAUTION: Defending Putin=Defending Hitler=MAGA Destruction)
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To: JonPreston

QED


54 posted on 05/13/2022 7:48:13 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Vaden
You triggered, bro?

Peter Hitchens literally got a DSMA-Notice (Defense and Security Media Advisory Notice) telling him to STFU because like his brother Kit Hitchens, he might speak Truth To UkroNazi Agitprop.

55 posted on 05/13/2022 7:49:10 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Cathi
Looks like you triggered the neoconned dupeboi, hey?   winking face face with tears of joy face with tears of joy

Wonder if he filled his diaper when he saw your post - like Puppetdent Biden does every day?

56 posted on 05/13/2022 7:52:26 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Vermont Lt

He doesn’t need to lighten up. He needs to be gone.

Maybe if the decent people left here start bombarding the Abuse button, someone will eventually do it.

They do nothing but follow people around, trolling the threads with Putin’s lies, calling people names, and attacking others.

Sicko MF’s.


57 posted on 05/13/2022 7:53:05 PM PDT by Vaden (CAUTION: Defending Putin=Defending Hitler=MAGA Destruction)
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To: marcusmaximus

It’s gotten to the point where, if it is scarcely-believable propaganda, that I can predict it comes from the Daily Mail before looking.


58 posted on 05/13/2022 7:55:16 PM PDT by Lazamataz (My preferred pronouns are “monkey wrench” and “potato bin”.)
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To: marcusmaximus
Putin is losing.

Yeah, just like Fox News was losing on your last daily posting assignment:

https://freerepublic.com/tag/foxratingscollapse/index

59 posted on 05/13/2022 7:56:33 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: JonPreston

*I’m Vladimir Putin and I approved this message*


60 posted on 05/13/2022 8:00:50 PM PDT by Vaden (CAUTION: Defending Putin=Defending Hitler=MAGA Destruction)
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