Posted on 05/06/2022 8:18:38 PM PDT by Kevmo
The De-NAZIfication Claim by Russia is Factually Wrong -- 300 Historians
Claim is made at 4:42 in the video
DW's head of fact checking Joscha Weber
Also, in the last parliamentary elections in 2019 right wing parties won just 2% of the vote.
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Here is the statement he is referring to.
https://jewishjournal.com/news/worldwide/345515/statement-on-the-war-in-ukraine-by-scholars-of-genocide-nazism-and-world-war-ii/
Statement on the War in Ukraine by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II
Izabella Tabarovsky
Eugene Finkel February 27, 2022
Protestors with banners rally in front of Parliament in support of Ukraine, demanding that Putin ends this war and protesting that the Georgian Prime Minister, Irakli Gharibashvili, step down, after he said he would not introduce sanctions against Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022 (Photo by Daro Sulakauri/Getty Images) Audio Player
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Use Up/Down Arrow keys to increase or decrease volume. As we write this, the horror of war is unfolding in Ukraine. The last time Kyiv was under heavy artillery fire and saw tanks in its streets was during World War II. If anyone should know it, it’s Vladimir Putin, who is obsessed with the history of that war.
Russian propaganda has painted the Ukrainian state as Nazi and fascist ever since Russian special forces first entered Ukraine in 2014, annexing the Crimea and fomenting the conflict in the Donbas, which has smoldered for eight long years.
It was propaganda in 2014. It remains propaganda today.
This is why we came together: to protest the use of this false and destructive narrative. Among those who have signed the statement below are some of the most accomplished and celebrated scholars of World War II, Nazism, genocide and the Holocaust. If you are a scholar of this history, please consider adding your name to the list. If you are a journalist, you now have a list of experts you can turn to in order to help your readers better understand Russia’s war against Ukraine.
And if you are a consumer of the news, please share the message of this letter widely. There is no Nazi government for Moscow to root out in Kyiv. There has been no genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine. And Russian troops are not on a liberation mission. After the bloody 20th century, we should all have built enough discernment to know that war is not peace, slavery is not freedom, and ignorance offers strength only to autocratic megalomaniacs who seek to exploit it for their personal agendas.
The statement can be found below. If you are a scholar and would like to add your signature to the list, please tweet @eugene_finkel or @izatabaro or send an email to efinkel4@jhu.edu.
To see the latest additions to the list of signatories, please see here.
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Statement by Scholars of Genocide, Nazism and World War II Since February 24, 2022, the armed forces of the Russian Federation have been engaged in an unprovoked military aggression against Ukraine. The attack is a continuation of Russia’s annexation of the Crimean peninsula in 2014 and its heavy involvement in the armed conflict in the Donbas region.
The Russian attack came in the wake of accusations by the Russian president Vladimir Putin of crimes against humanity and genocide, allegedly committed by the Ukrainian government in the Donbas. Russian propaganda regularly presents the elected leaders of Ukraine as Nazis and fascists oppressing the local ethnic Russian population, which it claims needs to be liberated. President Putin stated that one of the goals of his “special military operation” against Ukraine is the “denazification” of the country.
We are scholars of genocide, the Holocaust, and World War II. We spend our careers studying fascism and Nazism, and commemorating their victims. Many of us are actively engaged in combating contemporary heirs to these evil regimes and those who attempt to deny or cast a veil over their crimes.
We strongly reject the Russian government’s cynical abuse of the term genocide, the memory of World War II and the Holocaust, and the equation of the Ukrainian state with the Nazi regime to justify its unprovoked aggression. This rhetoric is factually wrong, morally repugnant and deeply offensive to the memory of millions of victims of Nazism and those who courageously fought against it, including Russian and Ukrainian soldiers of the Red Army.
We do not idealize the Ukrainian state and society. Like any other country, it has right-wing extremists and violent xenophobic groups. Ukraine also ought to better confront the darker chapters of its painful and complicated history. Yet none of this justifies the Russian aggression and the gross mischaracterization of Ukraine. At this fateful moment we stand united with free, independent and democratic Ukraine and strongly reject the Russian government’s misuse of the history of World War II to justify its own violence.
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Ukraine HAD a Nazi problem comprised of MAYBE 5000 militarised Nazis who had ELECTED political parties and a President looking the other way. Until 2019.
Between 2019 and 2022, Azov nazis dwindled to three figures, and the elected Nazis lost their seats. Zelenskyy actually went to Dinbas and ordered them to stand down.
Some of their parties were banned...
What’s that, you say, Comrade Skippy? Ukraine banned some Nazi political parties and was de-fusing things in Donvas?! Unacceptable! WE NEEDED THAT FALSE FLAG!!! Now what do we do?!
You know, it’s almost like Russia just wanted a war and couldn’t find a justification that wasn’t retarded.
It’s because of the Nazi... Er, that won’t fly. Defending democratic free and fair electi... Yes, that doesn’t sound like our MO. NATO! That’ll work... But we can’t have inconsistencies so we need to take on
Lithuania. Finland! They’re not in NATO but let’s scare them into joining and then invade. What about all our dough and klepto assets in the West? I know, let’s do something so naughty that it gets it all impounded and sanctioned, and then complain about how we’re the victims.
“Meanwhile putin is meeting with Hamas.”
Probably telling them to cool it.
Those plans included the invasion of Crimea.
I’ve heard it said that anyone who is not a communist is a fascist to a communist.
Very thoughtful, logical arguments.
And no, I am not in a choir.
Some on here are singing solos
Of course it included Crimea.
Yep. Settled science - just like “50 former intelligence officials warn NY Post story sounds like Russian disinformation”
No legit arguments and more propaganda. I got it. Keep preaching it to your choir.
***Far better arguments than your pieces of 🐂💩. Stop preaching to YOUR choir because this place is AmericaFirsty and you’re RussiaFirsty.
Did you catch that, fake viking boy?
“50 current putinistas posting as fake conservatives all agree...”
Sorry, your Putinista!-Fu powers are very weak. They do not work here.
But thanks for playing.
I’ll throw down on conservatism against you, troll. Check my homepage for the ideology matrix challenge which I know you will decline because you are a fake conservative.
In the meantime, run along and join obambam in projecting weakness, betrayal, and nuclear proliferation as virtues.
It means sumthin when that supposed factoid is used as an excuse to invade another country in an obvious campaign of conquest.
Uh…no. “300” references the number of Historians (you included the title), not the number of Nazis.
If it were a convincing argument, one would suffice. To be clear, I mean one Historian, not one Nazi.
The Bandwagon Fallacy observes that more “experts” (in this case “Historians”) doesn’t make the argument any more compelling.
Also see: argumentum ab auctoritate (Appeal to Authority Fallacy)
Well said.
Do your own fetching, troll. You got a point to make, make it yourself. Trolls like you have seriously brought down the level of discourse on FR. Send forth your facts instead of your insults.
It means something in your mind. Nothing else.....
You know, it’s almost like Russia just wanted a war and couldn’t find a justification that wasn’t retarded.
***This war is about OIL. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts
The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.
In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.
But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.
This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc
If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, would Pootypoot allow that? Nope.
Uhh, that documentation wasn’t used as an excuse to invade another country, to murder and rape innocent civilians.
So then it was 300x more than needed to show that the excuse towards invading was just that: An excuse. Like you point out in using Einstein’s retort, one would have sufficed BUT THAT IS IN DEDUCTIVE LOGIC, NOT INDUCTIVE LOGIC. Politics, especially international politics, is inductive.
It means sumthin to 299 people who know more about it than you.
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