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The De-NAZIfication Claim by Russia is Factually Wrong -- 300 Historians
DW News DW.com ^ | May 6 2022 | DW News

Posted on 05/06/2022 8:18:38 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: MalPearce

Ukraine HAD a Nazi problem comprised of MAYBE 5000 militarised Nazis who had ELECTED political parties and a President looking the other way. Until 2019.

Between 2019 and 2022, Azov nazis dwindled to three figures, and the elected Nazis lost their seats. Zelenskyy actually went to Dinbas and ordered them to stand down.

Some of their parties were banned...

What’s that, you say, Comrade Skippy? Ukraine banned some Nazi political parties and was de-fusing things in Donvas?! Unacceptable! WE NEEDED THAT FALSE FLAG!!! Now what do we do?!

You know, it’s almost like Russia just wanted a war and couldn’t find a justification that wasn’t retarded.

It’s because of the Nazi... Er, that won’t fly. Defending democratic free and fair electi... Yes, that doesn’t sound like our MO. NATO! That’ll work... But we can’t have inconsistencies so we need to take on
Lithuania. Finland! They’re not in NATO but let’s scare them into joining and then invade. What about all our dough and klepto assets in the West? I know, let’s do something so naughty that it gets it all impounded and sanctioned, and then complain about how we’re the victims.


61 posted on 05/07/2022 3:54:16 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: NoLibZone

“Meanwhile putin is meeting with Hamas.”

Probably telling them to cool it.


62 posted on 05/07/2022 4:48:05 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: NorseViking

Those plans included the invasion of Crimea.


63 posted on 05/07/2022 4:57:55 AM PDT by Grey182 (Trump won, Benedict is still Pope & Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.)
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To: Cronos

I’ve heard it said that anyone who is not a communist is a fascist to a communist.


64 posted on 05/07/2022 5:11:23 AM PDT by TheDon (Resist the usurpers)
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To: Kevmo

Very thoughtful, logical arguments.
And no, I am not in a choir.
Some on here are singing solos


65 posted on 05/07/2022 6:20:55 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives )
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To: Grey182

Of course it included Crimea.


66 posted on 05/07/2022 6:54:16 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

Yep. Settled science - just like “50 former intelligence officials warn NY Post story sounds like Russian disinformation”


67 posted on 05/07/2022 7:01:43 AM PDT by toddmoore (Variants like B.351 will change the success rate percentages)
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To: NorseViking

No legit arguments and more propaganda. I got it. Keep preaching it to your choir.
***Far better arguments than your pieces of đŸ‚đŸ’©. Stop preaching to YOUR choir because this place is AmericaFirsty and you’re RussiaFirsty.


68 posted on 05/07/2022 7:22:06 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: aumrl; NorseViking

Did you catch that, fake viking boy?


69 posted on 05/07/2022 7:22:40 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

“50 current putinistas posting as fake conservatives all agree...”

Sorry, your Putinista!-Fu powers are very weak. They do not work here.

But thanks for playing.


70 posted on 05/07/2022 8:40:21 AM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally.The war is on Biden and Obama. )
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To: Basket_of_Deplorables

I’ll throw down on conservatism against you, troll. Check my homepage for the ideology matrix challenge which I know you will decline because you are a fake conservative.

In the meantime, run along and join obambam in projecting weakness, betrayal, and nuclear proliferation as virtues.


71 posted on 05/07/2022 8:51:43 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Gaffer

It means sumthin when that supposed factoid is used as an excuse to invade another country in an obvious campaign of conquest.


72 posted on 05/07/2022 8:53:39 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

Uh
no. “300” references the number of Historians (you included the title), not the number of Nazis.

If it were a convincing argument, one would suffice. To be clear, I mean one Historian, not one Nazi.

The Bandwagon Fallacy observes that more “experts” (in this case “Historians”) doesn’t make the argument any more compelling.

Also see: argumentum ab auctoritate (Appeal to Authority Fallacy)


73 posted on 05/07/2022 8:55:40 AM PDT by CapandBall
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To: MalPearce

Well said.


74 posted on 05/07/2022 8:56:00 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Clueless

Do your own fetching, troll. You got a point to make, make it yourself. Trolls like you have seriously brought down the level of discourse on FR. Send forth your facts instead of your insults.


75 posted on 05/07/2022 8:57:20 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

It means something in your mind. Nothing else.....


76 posted on 05/07/2022 8:58:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MalPearce

You know, it’s almost like Russia just wanted a war and couldn’t find a justification that wasn’t retarded.
***This war is about OIL. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts

The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.

In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.

But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.

This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc

If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, would Pootypoot allow that? Nope.


77 posted on 05/07/2022 8:59:55 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: toddmoore

Uhh, that documentation wasn’t used as an excuse to invade another country, to murder and rape innocent civilians.


78 posted on 05/07/2022 9:01:14 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: CapandBall

So then it was 300x more than needed to show that the excuse towards invading was just that: An excuse. Like you point out in using Einstein’s retort, one would have sufficed BUT THAT IS IN DEDUCTIVE LOGIC, NOT INDUCTIVE LOGIC. Politics, especially international politics, is inductive.


79 posted on 05/07/2022 9:03:33 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: nazi

It means sumthin to 299 people who know more about it than you.


80 posted on 05/07/2022 9:04:26 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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