Posted on 05/06/2022 10:14:24 AM PDT by BeauBo
After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov...
Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.
Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.
But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.
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Russkies can’t even beat Ukraine and you think they’re going to open fire on us? It would be a disaster for these orcs and goblins.
Can the Russians sink an American aircraft carrier? Their performance to date in the Ukrainian War has not been impressive, unless they are holding their best troops back.
“What if Russia decides to sink one of our carriers”
Then the Russian Navy would likely sink, PDQ.
It would also trigger Article 5 of the NATO Treaty, and bring Russia into war with NATO. That would likely entail an opening “Shock and Awe” salvo of strikes on Military, leadership and infrastructure targets across the Russian homeland.
Why would Turkey do that? They are a Russian ally?
“One more step closer to WWIII. YAY!!!”
Oh gee. Guess we should just let bullies with nuclear weapons do whatever they want because there is a chance it might start WWIII if we don’t just preemptively surrender.
I wonder why none of the great military thinkers in US history ever thought of that strategy before? It’s pure genius.
“Turkey has closed access through the Bosphorus Straits.”
Why?
They have a longstanding International authority - the decision to restrict warships, a power given to Turkey by the Montreux Convention of 1936.
One of the likely reasons that Russia called its invasion a “Special Military Operation” and forbade the use of the word war to describe it, was to prevent NATO member Turkey from activating that closure. Turkey did it anyway - it is their call under the Convention.
The two heavy cruisers that Russia had brought nearby (Syria), will now not be able to participate in the hostilities around the Ukraine.
Yep I remember that! Seen a big splash about the Moskova and day to two later she is sleeping with the fishes!
First of all - surrendering, or not, is a Ukraine problem. It's not a problem for the United States, but turning it into a problem for us (I presume that is the "we" you refer to, you're not Ukrainian, correct?)
“Let’s see burning pics.”
There is probably a hornet’s nest stirred up in the air around that ship, and the only images are probably from satellite, and classified. Night has fallen there now.
Maybe tomorrow or the next day, someone will post some cell phone footage, like happened with the Moskva.
Which would, in turn, have nukes going off in Europe.
You really want to go down that path?
Looking more and more like 2 Russian frigates were hit. More than a hornet’s nest now.
I suspect if Russia really wanted to, Turkey would allow it.
Thanks for the laugh!
I am guessing that retention rates for sailors on the other two Russian frigates in the Black Sea (next on the obvious kill list), will not be helped by the fate of the Admiral Makarov.
I don’t care what kind of re-enlistment bonus they offer, its not worth it.
The opposite. That way the Russians cant reinforce he Black Sea Fleet.
No, Turkey is a member of NATO. Unfriendly.
“You really want to go down that path?”
The enemy gets a vote.
The question was, “If Russia...”
Like GEN Mattis said, Be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone in the room.
If Russia does : then counterstrike.
Its not a question of if I want to, it is a question of if Russia makes us slaughter them, to make them stop attacking.
Personally I would do it. Personally.
BOOM!!! There it is!! BOOM!!! There it goes!!! BOOM!!! Down she goes swirling down to the bottom of the Black Sea!! BOOM!!! There it WAS!!!
“Looking more and more like 2 Russian frigates were hit.”
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Can you even call the remaining boats a Fleet anymore?
Happy Victory Day Vlad. You are a master strategist.
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