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The Russian Frigate ‘Admiral Makarov’ Might Be The Juiciest Target In The Black Sea (It is burning already)
MSN (Forbes) ^ | 6 May 2022 | David Axe (Forbes)

Posted on 05/06/2022 10:14:24 AM PDT by BeauBo

After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov...

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: andagain; aroundandfindout; blackseafleet; clownworld; engines; marineengines; navy; russiannavy; ukraine; war
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To: Dogbert41

Russkies can’t even beat Ukraine and you think they’re going to open fire on us? It would be a disaster for these orcs and goblins.


21 posted on 05/06/2022 10:37:51 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Dogbert41

Can the Russians sink an American aircraft carrier? Their performance to date in the Ukrainian War has not been impressive, unless they are holding their best troops back.


22 posted on 05/06/2022 10:38:39 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Dogbert41

“What if Russia decides to sink one of our carriers”

Then the Russian Navy would likely sink, PDQ.

It would also trigger Article 5 of the NATO Treaty, and bring Russia into war with NATO. That would likely entail an opening “Shock and Awe” salvo of strikes on Military, leadership and infrastructure targets across the Russian homeland.


23 posted on 05/06/2022 10:39:21 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
Turkey has closed access through the Bosphorus Straits.

Why would Turkey do that? They are a Russian ally?

24 posted on 05/06/2022 10:39:39 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Dogbert41

“One more step closer to WWIII. YAY!!!”

Oh gee. Guess we should just let bullies with nuclear weapons do whatever they want because there is a chance it might start WWIII if we don’t just preemptively surrender.

I wonder why none of the great military thinkers in US history ever thought of that strategy before? It’s pure genius.


25 posted on 05/06/2022 10:42:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway

“Turkey has closed access through the Bosphorus Straits.”

Why?

They have a longstanding International authority - the decision to restrict warships, a power given to Turkey by the Montreux Convention of 1936.

One of the likely reasons that Russia called its invasion a “Special Military Operation” and forbade the use of the word war to describe it, was to prevent NATO member Turkey from activating that closure. Turkey did it anyway - it is their call under the Convention.

The two heavy cruisers that Russia had brought nearby (Syria), will now not be able to participate in the hostilities around the Ukraine.


26 posted on 05/06/2022 10:49:16 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo
The Russian Navy just issued spiffy new uniforms for all sailors in the Black Sea.


27 posted on 05/06/2022 10:49:31 AM PDT by montag813
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To: BiglyCommentary

Yep I remember that! Seen a big splash about the Moskova and day to two later she is sleeping with the fishes!


28 posted on 05/06/2022 10:50:41 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Boogieman
there is a chance it might start WWIII if we don’t just preemptively surrender

First of all - surrendering, or not, is a Ukraine problem. It's not a problem for the United States, but turning it into a problem for us (I presume that is the "we" you refer to, you're not Ukrainian, correct?)

29 posted on 05/06/2022 10:54:14 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Love's redeeming work is done)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Let’s see burning pics.”

There is probably a hornet’s nest stirred up in the air around that ship, and the only images are probably from satellite, and classified. Night has fallen there now.

Maybe tomorrow or the next day, someone will post some cell phone footage, like happened with the Moskva.


30 posted on 05/06/2022 10:55:23 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

Which would, in turn, have nukes going off in Europe.

You really want to go down that path?


31 posted on 05/06/2022 11:01:56 AM PDT by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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To: BeauBo; All

Looking more and more like 2 Russian frigates were hit. More than a hornet’s nest now.


32 posted on 05/06/2022 11:02:44 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: BeauBo

I suspect if Russia really wanted to, Turkey would allow it.


33 posted on 05/06/2022 11:05:07 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: montag813

Thanks for the laugh!

I am guessing that retention rates for sailors on the other two Russian frigates in the Black Sea (next on the obvious kill list), will not be helped by the fate of the Admiral Makarov.

I don’t care what kind of re-enlistment bonus they offer, its not worth it.


34 posted on 05/06/2022 11:05:47 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: nickcarraway

The opposite. That way the Russians cant reinforce he Black Sea Fleet.


35 posted on 05/06/2022 11:10:32 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: nickcarraway

No, Turkey is a member of NATO. Unfriendly.


36 posted on 05/06/2022 11:12:26 AM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: 2banana

“You really want to go down that path?”

The enemy gets a vote.

The question was, “If Russia...”

Like GEN Mattis said, Be polite, be professional, and have a plan to kill everyone in the room.

If Russia does : then counterstrike.

Its not a question of if I want to, it is a question of if Russia makes us slaughter them, to make them stop attacking.

Personally I would do it. Personally.


37 posted on 05/06/2022 11:12:36 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: All

US and NATO spy planes right now. Sending a strong message to Putin to back down this weekend. No Odessa. No Moldova. No Romania.


38 posted on 05/06/2022 11:12:46 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: BeauBo

BOOM!!! There it is!! BOOM!!! There it goes!!! BOOM!!! Down she goes swirling down to the bottom of the Black Sea!! BOOM!!! There it WAS!!!


39 posted on 05/06/2022 11:14:43 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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To: marcusmaximus

“Looking more and more like 2 Russian frigates were hit.”

!

Can you even call the remaining boats a Fleet anymore?

Happy Victory Day Vlad. You are a master strategist.


40 posted on 05/06/2022 11:16:43 AM PDT by BeauBo
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