Posted on 05/05/2022 7:48:39 PM PDT by Doofer
Intelligence provided by the U.S. helped the Ukrainians sink the Russian Moskva in April, according to a senior defense official. The U.S. shared the location of the Moskva in the Black Sea with the Ukrainians but had no role in the decision to strike it, the official said.
Without providing specifics, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters Thursday that the U.S. has been providing Ukraine useful battlefield intelligence throughout the war as Ukraine defends itself – but Kirby said the Pentagon does not provide intelligence on the location of senior military leaders on the battlefield or participate in the targeting decisions of the Ukrainian military.
"Ukraine combines information that we and other partners provide with the intelligence that they themselves are gathering on the battlefield, and then they make their own decisions and take their own actions," Kirby said. FILE PHOTO: A Russian missile cruiser "Moskva" is anchored near Mumbai The Russian guided missile cruiser "Moskva," flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, is seen anchored near Mumbai, India in a May 21, 2003 file photo. Roy Madhur/REUTERS
Ukrainian forces struck the Moskva with two Neptune anti-ship missiles. The strike caused a large fire and the eventual sinking of the ship on April 14.
Kirby said in April that the cruiser was about 600 feet long and had a crew of roughly 500 sailors. The Pentagon assessed that at least some of the crewmembers evacuated to other Russian naval ships but it's unclear how many Russians suffered casualties.
The sinking of the Moskva was another embarrassment for Russian forces, who have shown an inability so far to reach their goals in the war in Ukraine. More than 70 days into the invasion, the Russian progress is still described by the Pentagon as slow, incremental, and uneven.
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yes. it actually makes a great deal of sense in that context.
for anyone able to move out of the US, preferably out of the first world completely, this is your wake-up call. there isn’t too much time left.
if I had my options open still, I would be looking closely at brazil/arg/chile, though it has been a long long time since I was that far south. no opinion on any country between the 3.
Good cover for the Ukraine double agents who are providing the data from inside the Russian machine.
well, a pogrom has been a clear necessity given the 2020 election. history suggests you always get one, and the question was how to implement here.
emergency conditions like post-nuke, quite easy.
Agreed all.
We were just days away, from fundamentally transforming America, in late 2008.
Sure hope we don’t have World War IV before the midterms and/or the next COVID-19(84) variant.
Like where only mail-in ballots would be used.
“Maybe sink a few of our ships in the gulf or North Sea.”
Good luck. We actually have missile defense on all surface ships that is regularly tested and not sold for booze
What would be left to govern in America after a nuclear exchange?
The entire Washington DC metro area would be gone.
The fences around government buildings won’t keep nukes from incinerating everything.
Only truly insane people would start a nuclear war.
what do your eyes and ears tell you is happening?
by our standards, our rulers are insane. but they might disagree.
Another foolish move by DC.
When you see the rats vacate DC en masse (politicians and connected government functionaries)--and you'll get many reasons as to why--you'll know something is imminent.
Hopefully, someone has a stash of cement and explosives ready to seal the perps inside their bunkers.
According to H.I. Sutton, the Moskva had developed routine or pattern operations. Predictability like that increases vulnerability. According to this tweet, the Moskva was close to shore, engaged in naval gunfire of shore targets when she was hit. When a warship wakes up a entire coast line by shelling it, James Bond is not needed to know where she is.
Between OSINT watching her movements for a month, coast watchers calling in her general location, and TB-2 Bayraktar drones providing targeting, Ukraine had what it needed to target the Moskva on their own. It is not a case of Ukraine or the U.S. being really smart, as much as the Russians mishandling their navy just as badly as their army.
Democrats are reckless; however, I would think incompetence is more likely than malice in this case. Equally as dangerous, however.
Assuming all this is true, Kirby taking credit for "Intelligence provided by the US helped Ukrainians sink Russian ship Moskva" could lead to a nuclear war anyway.
RE: Intelligence provided by the U.S. helped Ukrainians sink Russian ship Moskva
And Intelligence provided by the USA helped Ukraine kill 9 Russian Generals and wound their Chief of Staff. Who’s surprised?
Zlochevsky is a Pro-Russian Oligarch. He was a minister in the Russian-controlled government that lost power in 2014.
You are on the side of Burisma and Stalinists. Think before you post.
Anyone ever wonder why the battle of Armageddon will be fought on horseback?
“The entire Washington DC metro area would be gone.”
And the downside is ???? What red button do I push to make that happen? Do they sell them on Anazon?
horseback... interesting point but I wonder if that was just John using terminology he understood for things he saw but didn’t. Like translating a word from one language where there is none in the other that fits.
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