Posted on 05/01/2022 4:17:54 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Rep. Adam Kinzinger on Sunday said he has introduced a resolution to authorize US military force if Russia uses chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in Ukraine — calling the scenario a “clear red line.”
Kinzinger (R-Ill.) revealed on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that he introduced the resolution, which, if passed by Congress, would give President Biden the authorization to allow the US to help militarily Ukraine against Russia’s invasion.
“I don’t think we need to be using force in Ukraine right now. I just introduced an AUMF, an authorization for the use of military force, giving the president basically congressional leverage for permission to use it if [weapons of mass destruction] — nuclear, biological or chemical — are used in Ukraine,” Kinzinger told host Margaret Brennan.
The Air Force veteran, who twice served in Iraq, said the authorization would provide Biden leverage while also serving as a deterrent to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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If this entire site is nothing but soros sheep, why do you post or read it?
Setting up a false flag that will require us to get involved?
I hardly think its that simple. I doubt that its in our best interest to have Russia and China becoming friendlier in their relations with each other and drive their economies to become more reliant on each other. Or that we benefit from setting up conditions with sanctions that weaken the dollar, raise food and energy prices, and likely lead to real food shortages. When third world countries can't afford food, their populations get hungry, and they migrate to first world countries, bringing destabilization in their wake.
We could have told Zelenskyy that while it was a nice money-laundering operation while it lasted, it might be best for all concerned for him and his family to move to Great Britain and let things in Ukraine sort themselves out on their own before it all turns into a bloodbath.
Or as an alternative, if we didn't want Russia invading Ukraine, we might have tried telling Zelenskyy that if he wants to keep on the money train, he needs to stop the shelling of the population in the Donbas, and publicly give up all ambitions to join NATO.
A large contingent at FR supports Putin.
“Support the policy of reigning in NATO and/or US neutrality = Putinista. Support the policies advocated by Kinzinger/Biden = You are a personal supporter of those persons.
That’s faulty logic.
For one thing, in the current context those supporters of Russia support Russia’s INVASION. They don’t give a damn about NATO or US neutrality (and we are not neutral, as we have chosen sides), but they want Russia to prevail in taking Ukrainian territory and “demilitarizing” whatever is left. Thus, they support conquest; and Russia WILL reabsorb Ukraine back into Russia if it gets its way (which puts the “False!” label on any idea of not wanting NATO on Russia’s borders).
Supporting Ukraine’s survival has nothing to do with Kinzinger or Biden, as those sentiments would be present no matter who was in office.
Those who support Russia support Goliath (the bully); those who support Ukraine support David (the victim). Pretty simple. Pretty basic.
“We could have told Zelenskyy that while it was a nice money-laundering operation while it lasted, it might be best for all concerned for him and his family to move to Great Britain and let things in Ukraine sort themselves out on their own before it all turns into a bloodbath.”
You can’t be serious. Do you think for a moment that the Ukrainian people would just sit back and let their country be taken over by a bully just because their leader beat feet? The Ukrainian people are made of sterner stuff. Another leader would surface almost immediately. And that leader would be followed. Yes, Russia would likely prevail in the end, but it would be a Pyrrhic victory as Ukraine would be embroiled for generations in a bloody insurgency. Do you have any idea the degree of hatred Ukrainians have for Russians? Ever hear of Holodomor? The Ukrainians
“Or as an alternative, if we didn’t want Russia invading Ukraine, we might have tried telling Zelenskyy that if he wants to keep on the money train, he needs to stop the shelling of the population in the Donbas, and publicly give up all ambitions to join NATO.”
Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014 because the Donbas area declared independence and in essence seceded from Ukraine. So, you obviously wanted Ukraine to just say to the LPR and DPR, “Okay, take a quarter of the country with all its natural resources and manufacturing and go your merry way. And, by the way, Crimea can stay part of Russia, too, since Russia annexed it in 2014.” Of course Ukraine was going to fight in that civil war!
I get it that you are pro-Russia. You have sided with the bully who attacked a smaller and weaker victim who posed no real threat.
“We could have told Zelenskyy that while it was a nice money-laundering operation while it lasted, it might be best for all concerned for him and his family to move to Great Britain and let things in Ukraine sort themselves out on their own before it all turns into a bloodbath.”
You can’t be serious. Do you think for a moment that the Ukrainian people would just sit back and let their country be taken over by a bully just because their leader beat feet? The Ukrainian people are made of sterner stuff. Another leader would surface almost immediately. And that leader would be followed. Yes, Russia would likely prevail in the end, but it would be a Pyrrhic victory as Ukraine would be embroiled for generations in a bloody insurgency. Do you have any idea the degree of hatred Ukrainians have for Russians? Ever hear of Holodomor? The Ukrainians haven’t forgot about it.
“Or as an alternative, if we didn’t want Russia invading Ukraine, we might have tried telling Zelenskyy that if he wants to keep on the money train, he needs to stop the shelling of the population in the Donbas, and publicly give up all ambitions to join NATO.”
Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014 because the Donbas area declared independence and in essence seceded from Ukraine. So, you obviously wanted Ukraine to just say to the LPR and DPR, “Okay, take a quarter of the country with all its natural resources and manufacturing and go your merry way. And, by the way, Crimea can stay part of Russia, too, since Russia annexed it in 2014.” Of course Ukraine was going to fight in that civil war!
I get it that you are pro-Russia. You have sided with the bully who attacked a smaller and weaker victim who posed no real threat.
A major war would allow Biden to ship out conservative military elements he cannot control.
Once they are far enough away, Biden would unleash his loyal leftist troops against the American people.
All without concern of a coup.
A major war would allow him to seize total control of the nation, far beyond mere political control. He could exert physical control with troops vetted for loyalty.
And the only potential organized resistance would be busy waging war in a foreign land.
Another crap resolution by a totally crap lame duck politician which should be ignored 🤪
You don't know that. My bet would be that they'd want no part in absorbing the the Northern parts of the country, or the parts of Ukraine that would prefer to be absorbed by Poland. They might need to occupy all of it until the military fighting them is wiped out, Zelenskyy and his government has left the country, and a government willing to remain neutral takes its place.
...which puts the “False!” label on any idea of not wanting NATO on Russia’s borders
Many people commenting on pro-Russian sites believe that Ukraine was in the process of building up their military in the SE part of the country with the intent to wipe out the dissidents in the Donbas this spring, followed by moving in to drive the Russians out of Crimea. Possibly then followed by moving across the border into Russian territory.
It may be that the Russians had legit intel on that. It could also be that the US fed them bad intel to goad them into attacking Ukraine, because many believe we need to hurt Russia... just because. A quagmire would be a good way to weaken Russia. Another possibility is that the Russian side made it all up to justify their actions. I don't know which option is right, and neither do you. With the history of our country getting wars started all over in order to make the Military Industrial Complex happy, I'd bet it was one of the first two options.
I've seen that there are many there who aren't happy about their husbands or them being forcibly conscripted, prevented from fleeing the country as refugees, and being used as human shields. I've read that besides prisoners being captured, there have also been a number of deserters giving themselves up to the Russians. Of course you won't see any of that if you only look at sources that give you the propaganda that you agree with. I'd bet a lot of Ukrainians just want peace again, and they'd just as soon let those damned Russian-speaking areas go ahead and join Russia if they want to. Sure seems preferable to having your country in a war for the next few years. It's hard to have a normal life when that is your reality.
Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014 because the Donbas area declared independence and in essence seceded from Ukraine.
That generally doesn't happen without real legitimate reasons. Have you considered that possibility?
“Save the chickenhawk lectures for somebody who respects you.”
Your retort does nothing to change the inescapable fact that you consistently side with Russia over the USA.
“You don’t know that. My bet would be that they’d want no part in absorbing the the Northern parts of the country, or the parts of Ukraine that would prefer to be absorbed by Poland.”
You are naïve. You actually think Russia is going to allow parts of Ukraine to be absorbed by POLAND??? Poland, an historical enemy of Russia?
“They might need to occupy all of it...”
Gee, ya THINK?
“... until the military fighting them is wiped out, Zelenskyy and his government has left the country, and a government willing to remain neutral takes its place.”
You mean a government aligned with Russia.
“Many people commenting on pro-Russian sites believe that Ukraine was in the process of building up their military in the SE part of the country with the intent to wipe out the dissidents in the Donbas this spring...”
In other words, Ukraine was actually thinking about prevailing in the civil war? How dare they!
“...followed by moving in to drive the Russians out of Crimea.”
Well, Crimea — which is part of Ukraine — is illegally occupied by Russia. I’d think that Ukraine was well within its rights to try to get its territory back.
“Possibly then followed by moving across the border into Russian territory.”
Oh, bull crap! There is no evidence whatsoever that Ukraine was ever thinking about moving across its border and into Russia. None! Except perhaps in the fevered minds of Russian propagandists (and they would know it because it would have been them who created it).
“It may be that the Russians had legit intel on that.”
So share it with us. But, please; something credible.
“It could also be that the US fed them bad intel to goad them into attacking Ukraine, because many believe we need to hurt Russia... just because.”
You’re into fantasy now, the stuff of late night radio shows about space aliens and Bigfoot.
“Another possibility is that the Russian side made it all up to justify their actions.”
Well, we are talking about Russia, after all.
“I don’t know which option is right, and neither do you.”
That’s right. And that’s why in a propaganda frenzy I look for the simplest answer, based on known material; and that all points to unprovoked aggression by Russia to take over Ukrainian natural resources, destabilize Ukraine, and secure complete control of the northern Black Sea coast, if not outright annex the whole thing as it did with Crimea.
“With the history of our country getting wars started all over in order to make the Military Industrial Complex happy, I’d bet it was one of the first two options.”
Now we’re back to conspiracy theories and late night radio shows.
It’s been fun.
It is unfortunate that Kinzinger wasn’t killed in Iraq.
Keep telling yourself that.
I’m sure you’ll find it very comforting as you puff up your
chest and make an even bigger fool of yourself.
RE: It was never proven that Syria used chemical weapons; Trump acted prematurely.
The proof is in FORENSIC investigations performed by an official inspection team.
So, It depends on whether you believe Bashir Al Assad’s Government ( and their supporter, Putin ) or the UN and other countries that did the inspection and concluded that Syria DID use Chemical weapons.
The victims even have the date of the incident set: The Khan Shaykhun chemical attack took place on 4 April 2017 on the town of Khan Shaykhun in the Idlib Governorate of Syria.
The town was reported to have been struck by an airstrike by Syrian government forces followed by massive civilian chemical poisoning. The release of a toxic gas, which included sarin, or a similar substance, killed at least 189 people and injured more than 541, according to the opposition Idlib Health Directorate.
The attack was the deadliest use of chemical weapons in the Syrian civil war since the Ghouta chemical attack in 2013 ( yep, that was the attack that crossed Obama’s “red line” ).
The OPCW-UN Joint Investigative Mechanism attributed the responsibility of the attack to the Syrian government.
The OPCW-UN JIM described chemicals that it said linked the sarin used to the Syrian government: “The samples from Khan Shaykhun contain the three types of marker chemicals described above: PF6 [HFP], isopropyl phosphates and isopropyl phosphorofluoridates. Their presence is a strong indicator that the sarin disseminated in Khan Shaykhun was produced from DF from the Syrian Arab Republic stockpile.”
See here:
The governments of the United States, United Kingdom, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, France, and Israel as well as Human Rights Watch attributed the attack to the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
See here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39500319
and here:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/us-attack-on-syria-world-leaders-react-1.3040251
and here:
http://www.spa.gov.sa/viewfullstory.php?lang=en&newsid=1612692
Of course, The Syrian government said the attack was a “fabrication”. The Russian government claimed that the incident was staged.
No way should we send our boys and girls there. No way, under any circumstance...
“And they gathered together to a place called Armegeddon.”
...”and they beat their swords into plowshares and learned of war nevermore”
“They cried peace safety , then came sudden destruction”
Yeah, I imagine we'd be as opposed to something like that as Russia might be about the current government. How many children of US politicians are involved in the corruption over there? Biden, Pelosi, Romney, etc.
All of which happened after the CIA directed coup in 2014. I'm not the least bit surprised by Russia being upset about the mirror image of every reason the US side is supposed to be opposed to changing the current status quo.
I guess "aligned with Russia" would mean "controlled by Russia", just like they are currently de facto controlled by the US. IMO, Russia has as much right to be upset by the same situations as we would be when the shoe is on the other foot.
You are naïve. You actually think Russia is going to allow parts of Ukraine to be absorbed by POLAND??? Poland, an historical enemy of Russia?
I think the map here lays it out pretty well: https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/ukraine-lenin-putin/
For the most part, Ukraine is an artificial construct. The green area on the map was Polish until Stalin attached it to Ukraine. Crimea was part of Russia for almost as long as the US has existed. Much of the current Ukraine borders exist solely because of the whims of totalitarian rulers, and not because the populations would choose those borders given a chance at self-determination. I don't believe bad decisions by Stalin and Lenin are something we must now support with our blood and treasure.
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