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To: discostu

“Face it, if Putin was a better leader, a better statesman, a better diplomat, Russia would be in NATO RIGHT NOW. “

Trying to wrap my brain around that one and it’s gotten knotted into a pretzel.


106 posted on 04/25/2022 2:21:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

Here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/04/ex-nato-head-says-putin-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

“Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”

A good leader could have handled that. A good statesmen would have understood it. A good diplomat would have followed the process.


109 posted on 04/25/2022 2:27:20 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Rebelbase; discostu

George Robertson, a former Labour defence secretary who led Nato between 1999 and 2003, said Putin made it clear at their first meeting that he wanted Russia to be part of western Europe. “They wanted to be part of that secure, stable prosperous west that Russia was out of at the time,” he said.

The Labour peer recalled an early meeting with Putin, who became Russian president in 2000. “Putin said: ‘When are you going to invite us to join Nato?’ And [Robertson] said: ‘Well, we don’t invite people to join Nato, they apply to join Nato.’ And he said: ‘Well, we’re not standing in line with a lot of countries that don’t matter.’”

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The account chimes with what Putin told the late David Frost in a BBC interview shortly before he was first inaugurated as Russian president more than 21 years ago. Putin told Frost he would not rule out joining Nato “if and when Russia’s views are taken into account as those of an equal partner”.

He told Frost it was hard for him to visualise Nato as an enemy. “Russia is part of the European culture. And I cannot imagine my own country in isolation from Europe and what we often call the civilised world.


169 posted on 04/25/2022 10:04:07 PM PDT by Cronos
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