Posted on 04/21/2022 8:39:19 AM PDT by Kevmo
The Budapest Agreement was an “accession” to a signed international United Nations, ratified nuclear nonproliferation treaty. The Ukes honored it and gave up those nukes. The Rukes violated it twice by invading twice, by happenstance it was when there were weak-kneed democrap presidents in office whom Vlad knew would not do anything about an invasion. And the USA has been looking for all kinds of ways to abrogate our responsibility in this treaty/agreement even though it points to disaster down the road for nuclear nonproliferation.
So when I say give back the Ukes their nukes, it is an acknowledgement that nukes are sovereignty. They gave up some nukes in exchange for “assurances” for borders and sovereignty. Since they are in an existential war, who are we to scold them for building nukes since that is what we did when we were in our existential war, and we are the ones who have betrayed them.
If the Ukes develop and deploy a suitcase nuke on a Russian city, it is because they got pushed into an existential corner. What we really should be doing is putting CONVENTIONAL forces into this fight in a way that genuinely “assures” borders and sovereignty for a country that did the right thing. After all, the Russian bear has been shown to be rather toothless compared to what most of us thought they would be in this fight, so the US would kick some serious @$$.
And if we send in American boots on the ground, we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
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I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
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“If the Ukes develop and deploy a suitcase nuke on a Russian city, it is because they got pushed into an existential corner.”
A suitcase nuke is at best a dirty bomb for a country with the technological capabilities of Ukraine. I doubt that Russia at this point possesses the requisite layers of technologies required to develop and produce such a device. They may have in the past but I doubt that they can do it now.
These devices are also exponentially more expensive to produce than a much heavier nuclear device.
In a nutshell it’s easier to achieve critical mass with a larger mass.
Right now I expect only two countries in the world could produce reliable miniaturized nukes: The USA and Japan.
Maybe Taiwan could pull it off too. And that’s a distant maybe.
In a nutshell it’s easier to achieve critical mass with a larger mass.
***True enough. One could build essentially a nuke truck bomb. And the Ukes have some very radioactive soil at Chernobyl they could just pile into some of their missiles & fire at Russian ammo dumps.
Did you see the size of the first 2 nukes? They easily fit into the bomb bay doors of the B29, could be carried on trucks. It would be a relatively simple matter to get a few truck bombs inside the Russian borders from Ukraine.
Russia does not believe in self total destruction.
The very notion of introducing nukes is off the table. Why nuke Ukraine, enrage the world and then die a quick and horrible death.
Nukes ain’t gonna happen i
Putin is nuke rattling same as Kim Jung Un.
Um, Israel wants to have a word with you!
Regards,
“Um, Israel wants to have a word with you!”
Israel lacks a couple resources necessary for the production of these bad boys. They might be getting US assistance but I’m not seeing any evidence that they can produce these entirely within Israel.
Russia does not believe in self total destruction. The very notion of introducing nukes is off the table.
***Vlad put it on the table.
Why nuke Ukraine, enrage the world and then die a quick and horrible death.
***What I was talkin’ about was the UKES developing suitcase nukes, not the Rukes.
Nukes ain’t gonna happen i
***They already did. And the Ukes did the right thing in getting rid of them. They were rewarded for that by getting invaded twice by Russia and betrayed by the US.
Putin is nuke rattling same as Kim Jung Un.
***Thing is, we KNOW Putin has nukes. We SUSPECT the Norks have nukes. Putin is just playing the intimidation card.
“It would be a relatively simple matter to get a few truck bombs inside the Russian borders from Ukraine.”
I agree. The Russians really haven’t changed their overall security posture in the past eighty years. They mostly concentrate their attention on who’s leaving Russia and they don’t pay so much attention to who’s coming in.
It’s a vulnerability that could stand to be exploited.
Israel produces tactical nukes / battlefield nukes. Would briefcase-size nukes be that more difficult?!
Regards,
“Would briefcase-size nukes be that more difficult?”
Yes. They are.
That’s why most nukes even today have fission packages that weigh quite a bit. It’s easier and cheaper to produce them and to expect them to work.
As you get smaller and smaller the refining process for the fission package becomes ever more complex. As in you need a whole different production facility and a whole different set of protocols to make these things.
The most economical of these weapons still has a fission package of more than 23 pounds with the whole device weighing in at 300 pounds or more. It’s cheaper to just produce bigger devices.
In Lend Lease we got stuff in return. Basing rights etc. We get nothing from Ukraine except and outstretched palm, bribing half of DC, sex trafficking, and undermining Trump.
That is why I wrote in the first post: we damned well better be negotiating American Land as the thing to fight for. Big, sweeping American EmBASEees along the border between Russia and Ukraine. A Lend Lease project. Americans fighting for American land. For generations we could use that land to build airports and fight terrorism in that region. I would call it the BBudapest AAgreement LLend LLease program because it would take BALLs.
It’s hard to find a worse idea than giving nazi dominated, totally corrupt, Eastern Euro emotion driven, historic trauma nurturing Ukraine, nuclear weapons.
Those idiots would use it. I don’t really care if they get nuked, but they will drag us in.
That’s because you’re working backwards in your thinking, the a priori fallacy. As usual from your side, classic logical fallacies.
Your backwards thinking goes like this: ya think we should stay out of everything; these guys want us to go in and help; let’s look who’s who on which side of things; those guys are for it so you’re against it; those guys call these other guys NAZIs so that’s what you’re going with.
Backwards thinking.
BTW, they already HAD nuke weapons and GAVE THEM UP per the Budapest Agreement that your side denigrates so willingly. It was a good idea to denuke them, you obviously agree. But we have betrayed them over this agreement and the Russians violated the agreement because they want those oil & gas reserves.
If they had never given up those nukes they never woulda been invaded.
Hence it behooves us to take on this thing in a CONVENTIONAL manner so that we don’t push the Ukes into a nuke corner.
“Did you see the size of the first 2 nukes? They easily fit into the bomb bay doors of the B29,”
No, the doors were heavily modified and the bomb hung out of the bottom. They would only fit unmodified into a Lancaster, but we nixed that idea for political reasons. It was gonna be an all American show.
But they could fit on a truck so the Uke retards could settle their never-ending grievances with an atomic truck bomb. And then 118 years from now, future Ukes and Russians can fight over 2022. Because they are emotion driven morons always carefully roasting each chestnut of past grievances. And now we are dragged in.
And now we are dragged in.
***We were dragged in over Nukes way back in 1994. All 3 nations signed the agreement. If the Ukes had kept their nukes they never woulda been invaded twice. It was the right thing to cooperate with the nonproliferation of nukes in 1994, so it’s the right thing to uphold that agreement NOW.
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