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Apart from the symbolic aspect of the name, the Moskva (previously the Slava) is the first (presumably) formerly nuclear-armed vessel to be sunk in action.


2 posted on 04/14/2022 7:58:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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I have looked everywhere. There is no evidence it was sunk in action. No imagery of missile hit. No satellite photos of such a thing.

I have just examined Exocets from the Falklands War. The warhead size is identical to Neptun. Exocets hit several UK ships in the Falklands.

Every one of them sank — from being towed. Even the famous HMS Sheffield sank and the missile that hit it never exploded. Residual propellant set fires. She sank days later while being towed. Towing is very risky even for unharmed ships, but if weather is heavy there is no choice. Atlantic Conveyor too Exocet hits. Sank while towed.

Case in point, destroyer HMS Glamorgan took an Exocet hit. Repaired. She was sold to the Chilean Navy and served there for 12 years.

And then it sank. While being towed.


7 posted on 04/14/2022 8:08:17 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Zhang Fei

To my knowledge, she’s the first capital surface combatant sank in battle since the Falklands War.


33 posted on 04/14/2022 9:05:17 PM PDT by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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Please add me to the Ukraine ping list. Thanks.


44 posted on 04/14/2022 9:30:37 PM PDT by windsorknot
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Apart from the symbolic aspect of the name, the Moskva (previously the Slava) is the first (presumably) formerly nuclear-armed vessel to be sunk in action.

And it should be added, it was attacking a nation which gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for Russian promises of protection from aggression.
97 posted on 04/15/2022 6:03:35 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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I’d be very surprised to find out that there were no nuclear weapons aboard the Moskva. Even in peace time it would seem prudent to have a couple on board such a ship.


116 posted on 04/15/2022 11:29:58 AM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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