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European environmentalists have made energy independence impossible Banning fossil fuels before building reliable backup is backfiring
mises.org ^ | 3/30/2022 | Daniel Lacale

Posted on 04/09/2022 8:23:29 AM PDT by rktman

Europe is not going to achieve a competitive energy transition with the current interventionist policies. Europe does not depend on Russian gas due to a coincidence, but because of a chain of mistaken policies: banning nuclear in Germany, prohibiting the development of domestic natural gas resources throughout the European Union, added to a massive and expensive renewable rollout without building a reliable backup.

Solar and wind do not reduce dependency on Russian natural gas. They are necessary but volatile and intermittent. They need backup from nuclear, hydro, and natural gas for security of energy supply. Dependency on these backup sources rises in periods of low wind and little sun, just when prices are highest.

“Solar goes to zero for twelve hours a day, and that is guaranteed. The wind blows sometimes, and sometimes it does not, also guaranteed. They both depend on weather, which is 100% out of human control. They are on their best day a supplement,” wrote a Navy pilot follower.

Batteries are not an option, either. It is impossible to build an industrial-size network of enormous batteries; the cost would be prohibitive and the dependency on China (for lithium, etc.) to build them would be even more of a problem. At current prices, a battery energy-storage system of Europe’s size would cost more than $2.5 trillion, according to an MIT Technology Review paper, massively more expensive than any other alternative.

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Saving muvver erf is more importanter than worrying about some silly back up power planning. Fookin' idjits! Coming soon to a utility near you. Not to mention the current putin policies and demands on the dependent eu assclowns. Sadly, what these assclowns have sown, common folks get to reap.
1 posted on 04/09/2022 8:23:29 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

“Sustainable” energy is a red herring.

The actual goal is to end all energy so 90% of the population starves.


2 posted on 04/09/2022 8:25:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Depopulate the depopulationists. --FJB)
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To: rktman

I guess they never heard of ‘Look before you leap’


3 posted on 04/09/2022 8:29:58 AM PDT by SMARTY (“Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face.” Thomas Sowell)
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To: rktman

And we’re doing the same thing.

Stupid, stupid, stupid…..


4 posted on 04/09/2022 8:37:11 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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rktman :" .. mistaken policies: banning nuclear in Germany, prohibiting the development of domestic natural gas resources throughout the European Union,
added to a massive and expensive renewable rollout without building a reliable backup.
Solar and wind do not reduce dependency on Russian natural gas."

"Foisted on their own petard "
Our government is following the same policy.
You are supposed to learn by other mistakes, not follow the same policy !
Intentional FUBAR !

5 posted on 04/09/2022 8:37:26 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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"Energy independence" was never in view. That's American style rhetoric.

They are anti-civilization woo-woos. They are in a sense extreme "reactionaries". The world took a wrong turn at the end of the Neolithic.

6 posted on 04/09/2022 8:39:00 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: rktman

Wow.

Who could have seen this coming?


7 posted on 04/09/2022 8:39:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: Salman

Back to the old ways. Civilization was good while it lasted.

“...continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”

Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan


8 posted on 04/09/2022 8:47:04 AM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: seowulf

Civilizations create bureaucratic complexity—which then destroys civilizations.

Homo sapiens never learns.


9 posted on 04/09/2022 8:50:42 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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"They need backup from nuclear, hydro, and natural gas for security of energy supply."

Or grid-scale energy storage. Note...I prefer nuclear, but not to even mention storage is a massive oversight and taints the whole article as frivolous.

10 posted on 04/09/2022 8:51:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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"Solar goes to zero for twelve hours a day, and that is guaranteed."

Beware of "one size fits all" arguments (excuse for unaccountable government spending?).

For example, solar power support for air conditioning for relief from summer heat is a good combination in many places imo.

Insights welcome.

11 posted on 04/09/2022 8:53:44 AM PDT by Amendment10
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Strange how reality always gets its revenge.

Delusional thinking and belief in pretty unicorns has its downsides.


12 posted on 04/09/2022 8:55:57 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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Meanwhile in the US, we have been shutting down and blowing up perfectly good coal plants to achieve greenie goals.


13 posted on 04/09/2022 9:10:46 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (BACK in Facebook jail for posting a euneuch does not voluntarily submit to surgery like a tranny)
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Like ordering you to go find a unicorn to ride, and shooting your horse before you find one.


14 posted on 04/09/2022 9:17:25 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

“Or grid scale energy storage...” an option for which no workable technology exists, and not worth mentioning.


15 posted on 04/09/2022 9:21:47 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: rktman

Eurotrash are about to get an expensive reality check.


16 posted on 04/09/2022 9:24:13 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"..an option for which no workable technology exists, and not worth mentioning."

There are plenty of workable technologies...just not cheap enough yet.

17 posted on 04/09/2022 9:24:29 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

HUH? You must learn to appreciate the smell of dung fires wafting past your mud hut’s veranda in the early morning hours as the sun comes up on another broiling hot day.


18 posted on 04/09/2022 9:27:35 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Hydroelectric storage is increasingly being used to provide constant emission-free energy to the grid. Batteries and intermittent power are old news.

Essentially you pump water uphill during times of energy surplus and let it flown down through turbines when energy release is needed. Calculations can easily be done to make normally intermittent sources into constant.

Pumps and turbines are much cleaner to manufacture than batteries, mostly cheap metal and have far more storage potential per investment needed.

The water level difference in many of the lakes that can be used would be hardly noticeable.

Of course you’ll still get opposition from the full environazis worried about some tadpoles being pumped up hill. While they go home and flip on their electric lights powered by burned coal...


19 posted on 04/09/2022 9:42:27 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s why Chins is in mass production of hydrogen fuels they want to corner the market by being ahead of the game some other countries are doing the same.


20 posted on 04/09/2022 10:17:59 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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