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Can Ukraine Ever Win?
Townhall.com ^ | April 7, 2022 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/07/2022 4:45:25 AM PDT by Kaslin

Even a truncated Russian Federation has four times the pre-war population of Ukraine. It enjoys well over 10 times the Ukrainian gross domestic product. Russia covers almost 30 times Ukraine's area.

And how does Ukraine expel Russian troops from its borders when its Western allies must put particular restrictions on their life-giving military and financial aid?

The interests of Europe and the United States are not quite the same as those of a beleaguered Ukraine. NATO also wants Russian President Vladimir Putin humiliated, but only if the war can be confined within the borders of Ukraine.

Even a truncated Russian Federation has four times the pre-war population of Ukraine. It enjoys well over 10 times the Ukrainian gross domestic product. Russia covers almost 30 times Ukraine's area.

And how does Ukraine expel Russian troops from its borders when its Western allies must put particular restrictions on their life-giving military and financial aid?

The interests of Europe and the United States are not quite the same as those of a beleaguered Ukraine. NATO also wants Russian President Vladimir Putin humiliated, but only if the war can be confined within the borders of Ukraine.

The longer the war goes on, the more sanctions will hurt the Russian economy and insidiously undermine Russian public support for the war.

On the other hand, the longer the war continues, the greater the Russian losses, and the fewer acceptable off-ramps for Putin, all the more likely he will grow desperate and escalate to Gott daemmerung levels.

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1 posted on 04/07/2022 4:45:25 AM PDT by Kaslin
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The word is Goetter Daemmerung. Meaning God’s Dawn, or something like that.


2 posted on 04/07/2022 4:53:35 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The Ukrainian people are playing it right. They will bleed Putin white.


3 posted on 04/07/2022 5:00:26 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dreams)
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To: Kaslin

Afghanistan...


4 posted on 04/07/2022 5:02:44 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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To: Kaslin
Götterdämmerung means "Twilight of the god(s)"
5 posted on 04/07/2022 5:06:36 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Kaslin

From the article:
Ukraine must stop the airborne wreckage by gaining air supremacy through the use of more sophisticated and larger anti-aircraft batteries and far more SAMs and Stinger smaller systems. Some NATO nations may have to send Ukraine their Soviet-era fighters to replace losses - with conditions that they stay inside Ukrainian air space.

Second, the supply war must no longer be defined as a larger Russian economy versus tiny Ukraine.

Instead, Putin is now warring against the supply chain of all of Europe and the United States - and all out of his reach. The Ukrainian war machine will only grow - if fueled by allies that combined account for 70 percent of the world’s GDP.

It can inflict such death and destruction on the conventional Russian military that Putin will fear he will suffer even worse global humiliation than the United States faced after Afghanistan.


6 posted on 04/07/2022 5:15:18 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: Kaslin

Can the 13 Colonies ever win against the full might of the British Empire?

No man in the wrong can stand up to a man in the right who just keeps on a-comin’.—The Texas Ranger Creed


7 posted on 04/07/2022 5:28:18 AM PDT by null and void (Bokassa always used to say, ‘You can’t feed people with politics.’)
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8 posted on 04/07/2022 5:31:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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9 posted on 04/07/2022 5:38:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: Kaslin
said, "how does Ukraine expel Russian troops"

Hire thousands of mercenaries for gorilla warfare. Then give 10% to the big guy
10 posted on 04/07/2022 5:38:09 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Kaslin

Whatever the final outcome... the Ukraine has ALREADY won!

My humble opinion.


11 posted on 04/07/2022 5:38:39 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: null and void
"No man in the wrong can stand up to a man in the right who just keeps on a-comin’.—The Texas Ranger Creed"

You're saying Russia can't lose then?
12 posted on 04/07/2022 5:40:30 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: SMARTY
said, "Ukraine has ALREADY won!"
You must be watching MSM news.
BTW - Did the big guy get his cut yet?
13 posted on 04/07/2022 5:42:00 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

You’re saying Russia is in the right?


14 posted on 04/07/2022 5:42:17 AM PDT by null and void (Bokassa always used to say, ‘You can’t feed people with politics.’)
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To: Kaslin

Always read what Hansen has to say


15 posted on 04/07/2022 5:47:06 AM PDT by larryjohnson (FReepersonaltrainer)
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To: null and void

The big question is how many men Ukraine is training. Early in the war they ordered mass impressment of all military aged men. There are about 6 million able to fight.

How many and how soon can those civilians be trained up. If even a fraction of them are put under arms Russia does not have a how.


16 posted on 04/07/2022 5:54:27 AM PDT by Renfrew
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Standing up to Vlad, defying him and beating the odds (so far) is a win that the world, and certainly the Russians, never anticipated


17 posted on 04/07/2022 6:04:28 AM PDT by SMARTY (Republics decline into democracies & democracies degenerate into despotisms. Aristotle)
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To: BenLurkin
2014 Pro-Russian Unrest in Ukraine

You're putting up bs deceptive maps. In Odessa(the city) there was a pro-Russian demonstration. So in your map, the whole of Odessa(municipality) is colored in as if there were widespread demonstrations. In fact Odessa(municipality) is 62% Ukrainian.

In the 2001 census, Ukrainians made up a majority (62 percent) of Odessa's inhabitants, along with an ethnic Russian minority (29 percent).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa

18 posted on 04/07/2022 6:24:19 AM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: tlozo
A map can be manipulated.. No argument on that.


19 posted on 04/07/2022 6:29:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin ((The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire. Or both.))
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To: Kaslin

The precedent says that we should have all the west coast states and everything north of Maryland purged from America. They are not really American and are progressive Euro states


20 posted on 04/07/2022 6:32:34 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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