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Is the Bucha Massacre A Ukrainian False Flag?
Helleninscope ^ | 5 April 22 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 04/05/2022 4:27:48 PM PDT by delta7

Bucha is the latest shiny object that the Western cats are chasing mindlessly without taking time to think critically about what Russia is actually doing on the ground. Russia’s invasion on February 24 was not a classic military attack. What do I mean? If Russia was intent on conquering and subjugating Ukraine without regard to the fate of Ukrainian civilians it would have launched massive missile and airstrikes on all major cities, bridges, airfields, railroads and communication systems. It did not do that. Not my opinion.

The first phase of Russia’s special military operation consisted of the following:

Moved troops and armored columns into Ukraine from three directions–North, East and South. Deployed only 200,000 troops while maintaining key reserves inside Russia along the Ukrainian border against a Ukrainian Army estimated to number 600,000. Avoided attacking communication systems leaving cell phone and internet largely intact. Took control of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe–Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant–but kept the electricity flowing. Supported offensives by the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics against Ukrainian forces in the East. Gradually surrounded Kiev from the North but did not fight any key battles to occupy outlying cities. Destroyed Ukrainian ground radar, key airfields and military bases in Western Ukraine with precision missiles. Sealed the southern coast of Ukraine with the Russian Navy. Launched an assault on Mariupol, a key Ukrainian port in the South, and systematically annihilated the neo-Nazi AZOV battalion (Russia now controls all of Mariupol except for the steel plant and continues to methodically eliminate the remaining defenders). The immediate effect of this operation divided and froze the Ukrainian Army in four geographical regions-North, South, East and West. During the first two weeks the Ukrainians and NATO did not know where Russia’s major blow would fall. Russia’s initial success in eliminating Ukraine’s Air Force as a combat effective unit and the destruction of key military bases and fuel depots made it impossible for Ukraine to dispatch reinforcements to Donbas and Mariupol.

During the past week Russia has effected a tactical redeployment of forces that originally surrounded Kiev. It is reported that those units moved west and are likely to be used as block force that will be part of a broader effort to defeat the bulk of the Ukraine Army now virtually surrounded in the eastern part of the Donbas.

With its limited ability to move troops or resupply frontline forces, Ukraine is relying on propaganda and information warfare to try to weaken Russia and entice NATO to join the fray. Here is a good summary of these efforts courtesy of Nighvision:

For instance, when the Russian POW torture video came out, it was Ukraine that cried “fake” until days later all western ‘authorities’ were forced to admit it was real. When the ‘maternity hospital’ false flag in Mariupol occurred, Kyiv supporters blamed Russia and once again Russia was the one proven right and vindicated when the pregnant girl at the center of it herself released an interview completely refuting Ukrainian lies, and stating that not only did Ukrainian soldiers turn the hospital into a barracks but stole the precious food from pregnant women and then shelled the hospital themselves. When Ukraine claimed Russia bombed an ‘innocent’ civilian mall, yet the very next moment the Russian MOD released detailed videos showing precisely how Ukrop forces positioned mobile artillery in the parking garage of the said ‘mall’. When Ukrops claimed Russia tried to blow up the Zaporizhzhia plant, yet security footage showed that as a Russian security force arrived, it was fired upon by an RPG from Ukrop positions in one of the administrative buildings of the plant. When the famed American journalist was killed in Irpin right outside Kiev a month ago, and all Ukrainian supporters shouted Russia, but the entire incident was quickly swept under the rug when the journalist’s own friend/companion in an interview stated they were fired upon by Ukrop troops at a Ukrop checkpoint miles away from the nearest Russian forces.


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To: AAABEST
But then again I’m hoping Putin gets the Eastern territories and the global elites, multi-national neo-communists, George Soros, Fox News whores, The Council on Foreign Relations, neocons, The Bushes, CNN and all these FR mystery meat members go choke on their own bile and tears.

The guys on The Duran do good daily commentary on the war.

They hate the Western neocon globalist stooges with a passion.

21 posted on 04/05/2022 4:55:02 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: delta7

Yeah, those Russians just had to invade Ukraine to avoid more bloodshed.. AKA ‘we have to destroy this town to save it’ mentality.


22 posted on 04/05/2022 4:55:39 PM PDT by Houserino
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To: Manly Warrior

Agree with that definition of legal/illegal combatant in the law of war.


23 posted on 04/05/2022 4:55:54 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: datura

—> I was wondering how long it would take you to post the Kremlin’s talking points on this subject.

These comments have the ring of truth.

I don’t trust Ukrainian or Russia media or government statements.


24 posted on 04/05/2022 4:57:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: delta7

I saw a video of Ukrainian troops shooting Russian POW’s. When will that be on the evening news? Why are the Ukrainians be sold to us as the ultimate good guys? Why are we not being given the chance to make up our own minds?


25 posted on 04/05/2022 4:59:17 PM PDT by Spok (Winston, how many fingers am I holding up?)
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To: Reaganez

As proven by American satellite pictures, Ukrainians bypassed Russian patrols when Bucha was under Russian control, tied up and shot Ukranian civilians in the back of the head, randomly placed them along city streets then sneaked back out.

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Word is getting out about Ukraine atrocities, but no where to be found by the west MSM.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/bucha-the-false-flag-to-cross-the-rubicon/

“We are crossing the Rubicon but this time it is not to free society from a corrupt Senate, it is the Corrupt Senate determined to create a New World Order by destroying everything familiar about the society we now know. As always, it is difficult to separate truth from sheer hatred that has engulfed the world thanks to Zelensky and our insane President Biden. The DOUBLE STANDARDS are so in-your-face corrupt that it is hard to ignore comparing Vietnam & Ukraine.
A suburban avenue in Bucha became one of the first graveyards in Russia’s attempt to encircle Kyiv in the face of Zelensky’s refusal to negotiate in good faith. The Russian tanks and armored personnel carriers moved through the town of Bucha on their way to the city of Kyiv. The convoy was destroyed in one of the first of many Ukrainian ambushes that stopped the Russian advance. While Zelensky points to civilian casualties, he takes no responsibility for arming civilians and telling them to fight professional Russian soldiers and if they are killed it’s a Russian War Crime.
Biden on Monday called for a war crimes trial against Putin following reports of the mass killing of Ukraine civilians by Russian troops in a suburb of Kyiv. Of course, there is no proof that this is just not another false flag by Zelensky who is determined to destroy the world for make no mistake – this is the end result. It was Zelensky who told the Italian Parliament that Russians were capturing children and torturing them – with no proof of that claim.…”


26 posted on 04/05/2022 5:00:23 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

The Russians actually asked the UN to investigate this and the UK killed the motion.

For some reason, Biden and Boris Johnson seem to be best friends, at least on the ideological plane.


27 posted on 04/05/2022 5:00:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: delta7

You can attempt to obfuscate your Soviet leanings all you want. You lived and worked in Moscow for years - I get it. But don’t waste your time pretending to be unbiased. You’re not.

Unlike you, my time in East Germany didn’t make me complacent about the Stasi or KGB, or my time in China regarding the WuJing.


28 posted on 04/05/2022 5:00:56 PM PDT by datura (Eventually, the Lord and the Truth will win.)
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To: datura

“I was wondering how long it would take you to post the Kremlin’s talking points on this subject.”

Anyone who does not question a seek to verif8y every word that comes out of Ukraine and Russia is effin’ stupid.

Period.

Look at sources, and verifying parties. Twice. Wait a week or two.

Or remain stupid.


29 posted on 04/05/2022 5:02:47 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: delta7
Both sides have committed atrocities,

BS.

Russian atrocities in Bucha Massacre.


30 posted on 04/05/2022 5:03:25 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: BenLurkin

“Add to that Zelensky encouraging civilians to act as illegal combatants and this was bound to happen.”

But, are they illegal combatants? Defending one’s hearth and home and family is not dependent on being a member of a nation’s formal military. However, once they pick up a weapon and start fighting they are fair game.


31 posted on 04/05/2022 5:03:38 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Spok

Why are we not being given the chance to make up our own minds?
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Think the Covid vax hoax perpetrated by Senile Joe. ANYTHING Senile Joe says or does is corrupted, he is just as evil and corrupted as Zelensky and Vlad. Believe nothing from his mouth.


32 posted on 04/05/2022 5:04:21 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

His first paragraph is a big lie. My brother-in-law’s residential area in Kharkov was blasted on Invasion Day-Two even though no military target was nearby. Air and artillery delivered ordinance smashed civilian housing from Lvov to Kherson.

The country of eleven time zones brutally invaded the one time zone country and suffered humiliating defeats. Now that the murders, rapes, thefts, and vandalism of the occupying Russians near Kiev are being exposed, they are trying to muddy the waters with counter claims that are baseless but what else can they do? We have all those civilians who are reporting continuous abuse and crimes for a month while the Russian criminals were there.


33 posted on 04/05/2022 5:04:35 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: CrazyCatChick

“If Putin survives his disaster, he might want to get rid of the yes men and bring in some realists.”

But that is not the way of dictators.


34 posted on 04/05/2022 5:06:02 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: delta7

I figure that the sections of FSB, like the KGB before it, is following the troops and getting rid of the politically undesirable Ukrainians. The KGB squads did this in WWII just as the SS troops dedicated to insuring that ‘untermenschen’ were disposed of after the combat troops pushed forward.


35 posted on 04/05/2022 5:06:57 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Pelham
The massacre in Bucha could be Russian war crimes or it could be some other agenda playing out. Or a mixture of several. There’s no way for us to know at our distant remove. The locals might not even be certain.

You're spouting complete BS. ALL the surviving locals are saying the same thing-the Russian soldiers took the men and shot them, some right in front of their wives.

36 posted on 04/05/2022 5:07:08 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: DesertRhino
When Russia called for a UN investigation of Bucha, the British government vetoed it.

The guys at The Duran said that was a "tell" for the fix being in.

Alex Christoforou at the Duran said this today when he tried to do the update on Youtube:

There's a really really quick intro to this video. What you're getting if you're watching this on Youtube is you're just getting one half or one third of the video.

The first part of the video has been edited out because it looks like Youtube is not accepting anything other than the official Narrative.

When I mean the official Narrative - the EU/US/Zelensky Narrative with regards to this village outside of Kiev.

That's the only Narrative that's going to be accepted, and every other narrative will mean the video getting taken down or perhaps a channel deletion or something along those lines.

So what you're getting right now if you're watching this on Youtube is just one half or one third of the full video.

If you want to see the full video then please go to Odysee, Rumble, Bitchute, Super you and of course the duran.locals.com.

All those links are in the description box down below. The fact that all of this is being censored once again tells you everything you need to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUT_VJEFpl0 [5:35]

full video with censored stuff on Rumble:

https://rumble.com/vzs3a9-uk-blocks-unsc-meeting.-germany-being-blamed-for-everything.-degas-painting.html [31:24]

37 posted on 04/05/2022 5:07:34 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Pelham

“Gangs take over. Vendettas get settled. Civilians are prey. The massacre in Bucha could be Russian war crimes or it could be some other agenda playing out. Or a mixture of several. There’s no way for us to know at our distant remove. The locals might not even be certain.”

So very true.


38 posted on 04/05/2022 5:08:14 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: delta7

“...shelling the ethnic Russian eastern independent provinces. 22,000 deaths...”

That is a complete and criminal lie and you know it. My family in the Donbas (Alchevsk) are Russian speakers which as I’ve told you before is far different than ethnic Russians. The often foreign “separatists” killed Ukrainians in the eastern areas. They were sent in a clandestine invasion by Putin. And you have the gall to blame Ukraine.


39 posted on 04/05/2022 5:10:01 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: delta7

And remember that the NVA/VC, during the Tet Offensive eliminated all the teachers, village and town leaders, and South Vietnamese government employees. Don’t forget about the mass graves found afterward in DaNang.


40 posted on 04/05/2022 5:10:34 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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