Posted on 03/18/2022 7:58:10 AM PDT by SJackson
Virtually all Americans believed, until the inauguration of Donald Trump as president on January 20, 2017, that when someone became president, he could begin to implement his agenda. Certainly Old Joe Biden’s handlers have done so with a vengeance since they took over; but when Trump became president, he immediately began to encounter resistance from entrenched members of the government bureaucracy who refused to do as he ordered. Some worked actively against Trump, while the establishment media assured us that these self-appointed “deep state” saboteurs were the courageous guardians of “our democracy.” At his South Carolina rally Saturday night, Trump continued to tease a 2024 run and made a new promise about how he would break the power of the unelected “deep state.”
“We will pass critical reforms,” Trump said, “making every executive branch employee fireable by the president of the United States. The deep state must and will be brought to heel.”
It’s a commonsensical solution, as Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance pointed out. “Everyone is losing their mind about this, but I’ve been calling for it at every town hall I do. Either the president controls the executive branch or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, we don’t live in a Republic, we live in a civil service driven oligarchy.”
Quite so. And although the “deep state” only came to the attention of most Americans over the last few years, the controversy over the hiring and firing of civil service employees is one of the oldest controversies of the republic. As Rating America’s Presidents explains, Andrew Jackson was elected president in 1828 on promises to end the hegemony of a privileged aristocracy, and, to drain that swamp, he would need his own men in key positions. He removed a large number of civil service employees and replaced them with men of his own faction, which came to be known as the Democracy, or Democratic Party. This came to be known as the spoils system, after the old adage “To the victor belong the spoils.”
The term “spoils system” is today practically synonymous with government corruption, but Jackson began it as a blow against corruption, preventing the establishment of an entrenched bureaucracy that would oppose the president. The Trump administration made it clear that such a bureaucracy, determined to thwart the president at every turn, is a genuine concern; it is time for a reconsideration of the spoils system.
The spoils system essentially died with the assassination of President James A. Garfield in 1881. Garfield believed that the spoils system was an unending source of government corruption and pushed for measures that would end it, only to be shot by a man who publicly proclaimed that he was doing so because he belonged to the faction of the Republican party, the Stalwarts, that supported the spoils system. Garfield’s successor, Chester Arthur, was a Stalwart, but he demonstrated immense personal courage and honor in choosing to carry out the wishes of his slain predecessor rather than implement his own contrary agenda. His decision to do this effectively ended his political career, as he almost certainly knew it would, and yet he stood firm.
Whether his stance was entirely wise in the long run, however, is a separate question. Historians take for granted that civil service reform was good for the country, and there has been no significant indication that it wasn’t until quite recently, when a president was thwarted in numerous endeavors by an army of unelected bureaucrats within the various departments and agencies of the government, who were determined to impede his agenda in every way possible.
The proponents of civil service reform never envisioned a situation in which unelected and unaccountable opponents of a sitting president in the FBI, the Justice Department, and elsewhere would be determined to destroy the president — or at the very least make it impossible for him to carry out his policies — and could not be removed from their jobs because of civil service regulations.
Wouldn’t government work more smoothly, and the executive branch be able to operate more effectively in the way the Founding Fathers envisioned it would, if the president were able to clear out the employees of these agencies who opposed him and replace them with people more in line with his vision?
The spoils system has no defenders today, and has had none for over a century. It should have more. Trump is on the right track.
First we have to do our part of the swamp draining by not electing and re-electing swamp monsters like Amnesty Senators Rubio and Hoeven.
“Brought to heel”
Hmmm. Where have I heard that before?
Oh yeah, Hillary said that about certain black people.
Trump needs an unvaxxed conservative VP like himself who can take over if the “white coats” do him in…
Move the capital to a medium-size town in Kansas. Watch Washington howl.
talking isnt going to solve the problem... Voting isnt going to solve the problem... ...we are too far gone...
there is only one way to solve the problem now.
And CornHolio, and One-Eyed Jack, and .....
I’m in.
Eyepatch McCain got past his primary.
Cornyn was just re-elected to 6 more years.
This cycle we should be focused on Moran, Thune, Crapo, Boozman, Grassley, Scott (SC), and Amnesty Senators Rubio and Hoeven.
“We will pass critical reforms,” Trump said, “making every executive branch employee fireable by the president of the United States. The deep state must and will be brought to heel.”
Behind this idea 100%
It can oly be done by repealing Civil Service and/or eliminating all Departments, Commissions, Bureaus etc back to the origina four without “folding in” responsibilities of the deposed departments to the remaining four.
A good compromise would be that every year the President can fire anyone in the executive branch for any reason up to 25% of the total existing federal workforce. That would protect the continuity of the government bureaucracy while also putting the fear of God into them.
Fed.gov spent $6.8 Trillion in 2021, has 2.8 million employees (4.3 million if you count all military)
The permanent bureaucracy of course its going to have a life of its own - beyond any elected politician’s control.
If Fed.gov stays this size, nothing will change
For all the faults of the spoils system it was at least democratic. The deep state is anti democratic. Rather than serving the president, the executive branch bureaucracy has a mind of its own and exercises considerable power. Power, that is not constrained by anyone who has to actually face the voters. That is much worse than the spoils system.
Behind this idea 100%
What If the next president is a Democrat. Then what? Will they be able to fire any opponent at will? I’m not saying I disagree. I think it’s a good idea but we need to think it out. I want a the FBI and CIA gone.
If a Democrat wins the Whitehouse he should run the government without having employees undermining him.
I realize that but the sheep keep voting for them either that and/or voter fraud is still occurring to keep them in power.
Democrats already have the ability to get rid of any conservative they find in the federal government, civil service or not. The rest of the Leftists will just make his life hell until he quits, or manufacture an offense to fire him for.
“Decimation” (1 in 10) as a regular course of action would be a step in the right direction.
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