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To: Kevmo

***Russia invaded Ukraine. Pretty clear to me.

Yeah, no concern over biolabs, or Ukraine being a US puppet, or the threat of NATO missiles in Ukraine.

The US put a blockade in place and threatened war with Russia over missiles in Cuba.

Your thinking is too one dimensional.


7 posted on 03/15/2022 6:16:10 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's going to take real, serious, hard times to wake the American public.)
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To: brownsfan

Yeah, no concern over biolabs,
***Russia didn’t even MENTION biolabs when they invaded. So yeah, no concern over it.

or Ukraine being a US puppet,
***If they’re a US puppet then where are the US soldiers fighting against the invader?

or the threat of NATO missiles in Ukraine.
***Wait a second. Estonia has been in NATO for a lot longer, and there aint no worries about missiles from there. But Vlad the Impaler didn’t impale Estonia because they were already IN NATO. And Ukraine in good faith gave up their nukes in exchange for territorial, border, and sovereignty “assurances” that we are promptly abrogating. https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts

The US put a blockade in place and threatened war with Russia over missiles in Cuba.
***Yeah, we did. And Russia backed down because Russia was in the wrong for putting those missiles into Cuba and we had very strong strategic superiority at the time. Russia didn’t invade due to missile threats, Russia invaded because they’re raping the land of its oil.

Russia wouldn’t even be all that interested except that oil was discovered in those regions. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.

In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.

But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.

This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc

Your thinking is too one dimensional.
***I’ll match up my thinking to your zero-dimensional Putinist appeasement thinking.


20 posted on 03/15/2022 6:27:58 AM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: brownsfan; Kevmo

Only a MORON believes NATO is a threat to Russia! Or that Ukraine is. There is no moral equivalency here.


27 posted on 03/15/2022 6:31:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: brownsfan

Russia actually put missiles in Cuba. You speculate a threat of missiles in Ukraine but they were never put there.

Your thinking is alternate dimensional.


98 posted on 03/15/2022 7:40:02 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: brownsfan; Kevmo
brownsfan Yeah, no concern over biolabs, or Ukraine being a US puppet, or the threat of NATO missiles in Ukraine.

Biolabs?: Unlike Russia, Ukraine isn’t known to have any bioweapons program whatsoever. Putin is almost certainly putting out this fake news as a pretext for escalating the conflict soon, possibly as a means to ‘justify’ his own use of biological or chemical terror weapons. He used the same tactic in Syria.

This is a classic example of spin and misinformation. Find something that has a tiny bit of truth to it, and then twist and distort it until it looks nothing like reality.

Is the U.S. developing bio-weapons in Ukraine? The answer to that is an absolute no.

The U.S. is not now, nor has it ever developed, manufactured or deployed biological weapons in Ukraine.

Are there - as claimed - U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine? The answer is yes, but they have a very different purpose than what some have claimed. When the Soviet union collapsed in 1991 all sorts of old soviet weaponry was left in Ukraine. Ukraine actually had thousands of old Soviet tanks (very many of them, largely T-72’s were sold off since the 90’s, but a very large number of T-64’s remain in mothballed status). In fact, about one third of the entire soviet nuclear arsenal was left in Ukraine after the collapse. These were either destroyed or returned to Russia in 1994 in exchange for Russian guarantees of non-aggression towards Ukraine. (something that is telling in retrospect given the current invasion)

In addition to these other weapons, there were also a large number of old Soviet biological weapons in Ukraine. These are notoriously dangerous and difficult to dispose of. Over the years Ukraine sought international assistance to properly dispose of these weapons resulting in U.S. bio-facilities specialized in safely decommissioning and destroying biological weapons being set up in Ukraine.

These are the bio-labs that Russian state propaganda started using as part of their excuse to invade Ukraine. They misrepresented them as labs intended to develop weapons, and suggested that Russia was going to secure them.

133 posted on 03/15/2022 8:48:01 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: brownsfan; Kevmo
brownsfan Yeah, no concern over biolabs, or Ukraine being a US puppet, or the threat of NATO missiles in Ukraine.

Ukraine being a US puppet?: huh - what are you smoking? There were elections in 2019 in which Poroshenko was elected out. There were international observers who verified that these were free and fair elections.

How are they US puppets?

134 posted on 03/15/2022 8:49:24 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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To: brownsfan; Kevmo
brownsfan Yeah, no concern over biolabs, or Ukraine being a US puppet, or the threat of NATO missiles in Ukraine.

NATO missiles in Ukraine: Again, what are you smoking? NATO didn't even place missiles east of Germany until Russia now invaded Ukraine in 2022.

135 posted on 03/15/2022 8:50:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( One cannot desire freedom from the Cross, especially when one is especially chosen for the cross)
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