Posted on 03/07/2022 6:45:33 AM PST by Conservat1
The Kremlin has announced its demands for ending the war in Ukraine:
-Ukraine must change its constitution to guarantee it won't join any "blocs", i.e. NATO + EU.
-Must recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
-Must recognise the eastern separatist regions as independent.— Patrick Reevell (@Reevellp) March 7, 2022
- - Must recognize that Puke-tin is their one and only god.
- - Must recognize that they MUST DO AS their masters and their god says.
- - Must give 75% of their yearly grain harvest (the Ukarine is the breadbasket of Europe and most of the world) to their god and masters.
- - Must deny all contact with the EU and America and pledge their lives and loyalty to their masters and god AND to Red China. No arguments. No nothing, OR ELSE.
Now sign on the line in blood and out of fear that your god and master will nuke you if you don't follow the rules of your god and masters.
Why are you for it?
Yes
These were reasonable demands...BEFORE Pootie invaded. Now, forget it.
How many here believe the propaganda that Ukraine is doing great?
“Oh, and you will pay our membership fees.”
...The reparations bills for damages start getting paid out of Putin’s personal frozen accounts.
That’s not quite fair. There was discussion right at the time that it was signed as to whether it imposed an obligation on the U.S. and U.K. to intervene militarily if Ukraine was attacked, and we made it clear way back then that we were not agreeing to that.
***Then give the Ukes back their Nukes, per my tagline. Theuy honored the agreement, we are NOT honoring it. If they had nukes, Russia never woulda invaded them.
It was essentially an agreement that none of the signatories would themselves violate that territorial integrity. Nor would such a promise have been binding even if we had made it given that it wasn’t a treaty that went through the Senate.
***The Ukes had enough nukes to kill hundreds of millions of people. They HONORed the agreement, we’re now niggling over whether it was nonbinding or somesuch bullshiite. There is no reason for any other country to EVER trust us as a result. They’ve got nuke power plants, they even have the learnings and shame of Chernobyl. They can and probably are building their own nukes, they’re in an existential war, who is to blame them if they drop nukes on Russia? Us? We dropped nukes on Japan in our existential war, and we are the ones betraying them. Appeasement niggling like yours is sending Ukraine down a hard path of nuclear re-proliferation with real possibility of nuke exchange. All because of a bunch of pantywaist appeasers, just like what happened in Sudetenland — only this time the consequences are nuclear.
You’d be quite mistaken I think
Russia has basically quarantined the Uke military which has embedded amongst the civilian populace in the cities
Putin is hesitant to go Dresden or Baghdad on Kiev
The howl would be defeaning
Which is why the Ukes are holed up in that fashion
Most strategic military targets are neutralized
This war for now is how do the oligarchs keep power and globalists sated and Putin get what he wants which if this is accurate news what we figured he wanted all along
I thought he’d want regime change as well..
It’s what reasonable folks here figured the goals were all along despite the howls Putin was well on his way to the English channel
Any agreement made under duress isn’t valid.
Bottom line is there needs to be no more Russia.
Violates the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances that we signed, with the Russians and the Ukes. So the Ukes gave up their nukes, and we reneged on the security assurances.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts
Considering people living in those “separatist” regions report life is similar to living in a gulag due to Russkies persecuting anyone who thinks wrong thoughts, if those areas were demilitarized, I have a hard time believing they’d vote to be part of Russia or separate from Ukraine.
Not sure I agree.
Wanted by Biden and the Democratic Party, for certain.
Europe, however, did almost nothing, and said almost nothing, until Putin rolled past the ethnic Russian border regions and into central Ukraine.
Even then, it felt like Biden and the Democrats had to forcefully push Europe into every response.
The suddenly unified corporate ostracism against Putin and Russia also seems orchestrated. I sense the Democratic Party working behind the scenes there, also.
Those there who prefer Russia should be allowed to emigrate there. Putin needs more ethnic Russians and has plenty of space for them. My take on the Serbian precedent is that Clinton picked the wrong side, without proper congressional authority to act at all, and deserves to be considered a war criminal! We should have let the muslims stay back in their Albanian muslim majority country, to live with the consequences of their version of a social security Ponzi scheme having reached its logical conclusion in failure under the last communist government in the Balkans. Putin was correct, or mostly correct, that time.
As far as Crimea if the Ukraine and Russia were good neighbors, on friendly terms, the former might be willing to lease the latter a base. They could use the money! Terms will likely be much higher now than could have been accomplished 10 years ago.
Zelensky is already a Soros puppet.
First, we obviously don't have their nukes. Russia does. Second, there was never an agreement for us to defend Ukraine militarily, so we could not have broken it. The Agreement amounted to each of the signatories promising that it would respect Ukraine's borders. The U.S. and U.K. honored their obligations under the Agreement. It is Russia that did not.
The area was so Russian, the Crimean vote consisted of things like a 125% voter turnout in Sevestopol despite reports that polling locatiosn across Crimea were empty, and the only big election news in Crimea was Russian soldiers dragging away a protesting Crimean Tatar on video who was later found tortured to death with a knife through his eye. Of course, Russia might win a second referendum because they've stocked the place with 250,000 Russkies on the low end or 1 million on the high end, depending on what estimate you accept, just like they did when they killed 11 million Ukrainians during the Holodomor and filled the place up with Russians.
Putin is putting forward the minimum he will accept, the sanctions would cripple the Russian economy. But ultimately the US is the puppet master for Ukraine and will make any decisions.
I’ve seen several top financial experts like Zoltran say imposition of these sanctions was poorly thought out (thanks Biden) and would rebound terribly for the West, sending the US into a deep recession and possibly collapsing the Euro as a currency and sending Europe into an economic depression. It’s a high stakes game for everybody, and how it plays out will depend on how China reacts and to a lessor extent India. Germany too will have a major voice and once they realize the economic costs will most likely push for a resolution.
Why not if t will end the war. Apparently agreements are worthless anyway.
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