Posted on 03/07/2022 6:45:33 AM PST by Conservat1
Define separatist regions...the ones with all the valuable stuff?
“Perhaps counter with:
not joining any military blocs (including Russia’s);
can “associate” and trade with EU without joining as a full fledged member;
Russia can have the Crimea and a set amount/year of water via canal from Ukraine;
Russia can have the breakaway provinces with compensation for all Ukrainians who want to relocate out of them;
Ukraine will receive 50% of revenue from the oil, gas, and minerals in the breakaway provinces in perpetuity;
Russia will pay to rebuild and replace all damage they have done in Ukraine;
Russia will pay compensation for Ukrainians they have killed, injured, and displaced; and,
Ukraine will have unlimited rights to develop, produce, and sell oil, gas, and minerals in areas in its own offshore zone and the offshore zone of Crimea.
Russia has to withdraw all its forces from Ukraine within 10 days of the agreement, and never come back.”
Good list. Ukraine should state their position on joining or not joining military blocs, etc but refuse to put it in their Constitution. Ukraine’s Constitution is none of Russia’s business.
Ukraine would be foolish to trust any Russian promise to respect Ukrainian territory in the future.
I thought Putin wanted nothing less than ALL of Ukraine, and with his own installed Ukraine puppet?
Previously, the Russians had already taken the two break-away oblasts within 24 hours of the invasion. They also had annexed Crimia since 2014.
Now Putin only wants Ukraine to promise not to join NATO/EU.
This seems like a retreat for Russia from the orginal invasion goals.
We signed that Budapest Agreement, “assuring” their borders and sovereignty.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts
Now we’re selling them down the river as if it was never binding in the first place.
No one should ever trust the US.
Sounds like Pooty Poot needs a way out, before things get worse.
Counter offer: Putin must turn himself over to the Hague for trial, or the new regime may deliver just his head.
It would not have stopped the US and foreign control over Ukraine. This was mentioned in his speech that no one paid attention to.
This war was wanted by the west or they wouldn’t have pressured Zelensky to not sit down with Russia.
This was a great chance by the WEF crowd to test the great shutdown of those that may oppose them.
Prayers for the Ukrainians - for courage. And prayers for the Russians desiring an end to the strife - for wisdom. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
The war is not popular in Russia.
Similar to the bigger, badder better-armed next-door neighbor who invades, wrecks and occupies most of your house while killing some of your family, then “offering a deal” that lets him keep the half he occupies.
Putin has grown weary of raping a tiger.
Unless it buys you the time you need to beef up your defenses and alliances. For the next event.
That’s not quite fair. There was discussion right at the time that it was signed as to whether it imposed an obligation on the U.S. and U.K. to intervene militarily if Ukraine was attacked, and we made it clear way back then that we were not agreeing to that. It was essentially an agreement that none of the signatories would themselves violate that territorial integrity. Nor would such a promise have been binding even if we had made it given that it wasn’t a treaty that went through the Senate.
Russia promised it would not invade Ukraine if they gave over their nuclear weapons
Good question.
It prohibits them from joining alliances, and in giving up territory, it reduces their strategic depth the next time Russia decides to make a move.
And of course, it also gives Russia itself time to look at this invasion, see what went wrong, rebuild the forces it lost, and try again. Given that Russia is a much larger country, and that Ukraine has been wrecked in many respects, it's a deal that favors Russia long-term.
Never reward low life criminal scum by letting them keep the fruits of their criminal actions.
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I agree. Why let Biden, NATO and the US get away with the criminal actions you speak of?
If real, Take it then arm to the teeth. Russia defacto already controlled those regions. This is a Putin surrender and as such, should be suspect as real. And proof Russia realizes this is a war they’ll never win.
RE: Even if that 95% lived in San Francisco and LA and all the rest of California wanted to stay?
Let’s be practical. California’s population is just as large as Ukraine, about 42 million
The fact is San Francisco and Los Angeles metros together comprise less than 40% of California. The other 60% are still patriots. But the 40% overrides the 60% in elections, that is why you see idiots like Gavin Newsom retained by a landslide in a recall election.
But there are two factors that will eventually overwhelm this state, maybe not in our generation, but the next :
1. Mass exodus to other states.
2. Mass illegal and legal immigration with people who have no loyalty to our foundation and our constitution.
If the day arrives when like Crimea, 95% of California votes to secede, that would mean that the entire state is beyond hope and has become one gigantic San Francisco.
We have to decide whether it is worth keeping the state by force or peacefully letting it go.
This is crap. It only encourages the world to isolate the goonstate that is Putin’s Soviet Russia.
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