Posted on 03/02/2022 10:47:27 AM PST by conservative98
Retired Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor joined Tucker Carlson on Fox News Tuesday to discuss the latest developments of the Ukraine-Russia conflict, noting that the first phase of Russia’s incursion is over, marking the “beginning of the end of the Ukrainian resistance.”
“The first five days, we witnessed a very slow, methodical movement of Russian forces into eastern Ukraine,” MacGregor said on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” Tuesday.
“So this is a — this is the beginning, frankly of the end of Ukrainian resistance,” he added.
Carlson then asked MacGregor what Putin’s endgame is in this conflict, to which MacGregor replied that it’s to take a portion of Ukraine and establish a buffer zone separating NATO with Russia.
“I think Vladimir Putin set out to honor his word of 2007,” MacGregor said simply.
“In 2007 at the Munich Security Conference, he said: We will not tolerate the expansion of NATO to a point where your NATO, your border, is touching Russia, specifically Ukraine and Georgia. We see these as essentially Trojan horses for NATO’s military power and U.S. influence, subversion and so forth.“
“He then turned to several opportunities to reinforce that over and over and over again, most recently with President Biden in the hopes that he could avoid taking action to effectively clean out eastern Ukraine of any opposition forces whatsoever, and to put his forces in a position vis-a-vis NATO to deter us from any further attempts to influence or change Ukraine into effectively a platform for the projection of U.S. and Western power into Russia.““Now, his goal, as we see it, at the moment, is to seize this entire area of eastern Ukraine. That’s pretty clear. He is going to roll up to that river, up near Kyiv, he has actually moved over the river and is preparing to go in and capture that city entirely.“
“At that point, he has to decide what else he wants to do. I don’t think he wants to go any further west. I think he’d be very satisfied to hold that point. But he would like whatever emerges from this that we call Ukraine, whether it’s just the western side or it encompasses some of the east and the west of Ukraine to be neutral, non-aligned, and preferably friendly to Moscow, that he will accept. Anything short of that, his war has been a waste of time.“
MacGregor claimed the Biden administration should then respond by telling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to accept Putin’s terms because “there really is no choice.”
“I think President Biden and Sullivan, his National Security Adviser have already given some indication of their readiness to accept something like that,” he said. “They’re not going to have any choice. Either they accept it or then they put him in the position of having to do more than he would like to do, which would probably not go down well with NATO.”
“No one really wants Russian forces on their border, least of all Poland. So I think Sullivan and Biden will essentially tell Zelensky, if he is still the President at that point and if he is still running any semblance of the Ukrainian government, which is largely collapsing now. If he is still there, he is going to be told accept the deal, go neutral, because there really is no choice.”
Biden and the West can’t afford to send forces into Ukraine to push back Russian forces, so their bluster and rhetoric that they’ll take on Putin will fall apart in real time over the coming days, he said.
Re: 68 - You skipped WHY LTC MacGregor said what he did:
“Well, Vladimir Putin is carrying through on something that he has been warning us about at least for the last 15 years, which is he will not tolerate U.S. forces or missiles on his borders.”
“And we ignored him and he finally acted. He was not going to allow Ukraine, under any circumstances, to join NATO.”
“I see no reason why we should fight with the Russians over something that they have been talking about for years, we simply chose to ignore it. And more importantly, the population there is indistinguishable from their own.
You know, the thing that is so disturbing, on one hand, we will not send our forces to fight. But we’re urging Ukrainians to die pointlessly in a fight they can’t win. We’re going to create a far worse humanitarian disaster than anything you’ve seen so far if this does not stop.”
MacGregor was very clear on WHY he said what he did.
I think Putin might be going for a land corridor to the breakaway mostly Russian enclave of Transnistria, cotting Ukraine from the sea completely unless Ukraine gives in to all of Russia’s demands. That’s why I say the Ukrainians are clueless idiots who are just being played by the globalist powers. They will wind up with nothing from this.
Oh please. What a silly comment! LOL!
Europe writes the checks, but we are the bank.
LOL! MacGregor has been pretty clear about why he left the service. He challenged Army doctrine with Breaking the Phalanx. It was not well received by military leaders who saw a threat to their "hills".
Yup. We just have the good of Fed Reserve print some more of that Monopoly money. Monopoly money is actually worth more than the dollar come to think of it.
And the Russians are not limiting their occupation effort to east of the Dnieper, they are trying to take the entire Baltic coastline and central Ukraine west of the Dniepr
Baltic coastline? You mean just NATO members Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, or Finland and Sweden also?
I’d hardly be surprised if they’re focusing on the Donbas, Kyiv and Kharkiv FIRST before trying to take the rest of Ukraine, but as a matter of fact, their actions against Western Ukraine so far consist solely of bombing airfields.
This is typically what US Foreign Policy achieves. We tend to support the losing side in a roughly stalemated situation while we manage an international "peace process". This results in far more casualties and lasting grievances than would a quick, decisive victory by either side. For example Afghanistan, Iraq where we continue to keep the Shia majority from decisive power, Kosovo, Bosnia, Palestine, etc., etc.
We maximize global misery.
Btw, this is just ANALYSIS. And its sound input. One can cheerlead and post fake cheerleading news from Adam dopey Kinzinger, but this is analysis. It does not make him a Putin puppet, like some clowns burp out.
“ This will all be over soon—and you will understand why you should never believe the Mockingbird mass media ever again...”
+1
He's also not always correct - he readily admits that in Breaking the Phalanx.
But I guess because his prediction about a military objective is not 100% accurate - he's mocked on FR? LOL. It's laughable how unserious some FReepers are.
Because the first words out of his mouth the first time he appeared was to urge surrender to the Russians. Since then he has come up with one reason or another to surrender.
It was definitely a febrile delusion that the US could take on both German and Japan, that the 13 Colonies could take on Britain, and so on.
If people want to fight for their homeland, no matter the odds, who is he or you to urge their surrender?
Stentor & best buddy, ex-Colonel Douglas MacGregor = Surrender Monkeys.
Sure it does to some FReepers. Why? Because they don't like what he said! Whaaa!
LOL!
The odds really do matter.
Most of us could not in good conscience recommend someone “fight on” if we thought the odds were 100-1 or 1000-1 against them.
Most of us.
Delivering bad news is never popular—but it is always necessary if it is truth.
Expect to see MacGregor being accused of taking Kremlin cash by the end of the day. Why? Because he says that people don't like! Wahhh!
I’ll make a prediction - that there will be people / groups / affiliations / etc that will try to involve the US and into a more direct role in the war.
I’m not talking about Special Forces which is not unreasonable to believe are in the Ukraine in some role, but an attempt to draw the US into a more visible role.
They have been living with nuclear fallout since 1986, and I suspect that little boogie man is no longer a worry to them.
Madness? Yes. But this whole thing is nuts.
Twenty years ago I was saying that the biggest threat wasn’t that Russia would behave like the old USSR, but that it would be the old Russia.
Look up “Third Rome”. Russia believes that to a point.
Which means they will keep pushing. Just like they did till 1918, and even under the old USSR.
“...MacGregor is a clown. Another O-6 poser...”
Generals are at least O7...
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