Posted on 02/23/2022 6:10:04 PM PST by dynachrome
“The only “option” other than fighting is complete unconditional surrender of the country to Putin.”
Or resigning.
NBC just had their correspondent in Mariupol on live saying nothing is going on. Cameras showed quiet city.
A shooting was is like cocaine sniffing to neocons.
“NBC just had their correspondent in Mariupol on live saying nothing is going on. Cameras showed quiet city.”
Crap, it’s a bigger invasion than I even thought.
Resigning?? This isn’t a personal disagreement between Zelinsky and Putin. It’s the Ukrainian government that Putin wants to replace and control, not just this one individual.
No one knows exactly what is going on when the fecal matter hits the spinning blade air mover.
Bingo!
video of mariupol on lookner just now. Big bangs. From ukrainian gov’t official.
“Resigning?? This isn’t a personal disagreement between Zelinsky and Putin. It’s the Ukrainian government that Putin wants to replace and control, not just this one individual.”
I guess I could have noted that the resignation(s) would have to be accompanied by a policy change.
Dnipro under attack now?
Just heard on Fox News, the reporter in Kyiv reports hearing explosions.
I’ve been reading a lot in the Russian and Ukrainian media over the last couple of months using google translate and I can tell you my impression is that it goes much, much deeper.
My own view is that NATO is not the deepest level of the problem, it’s the EU. That Ukraine and Belarus could join the EU is the greatest fear to Putin’s vision of a Moscow-dominated region, sort of his own EU, the heart of which would be Russia-Belarus-Ukraine-Kazakstan, but could expand from there.
NATO is just the way these countries might protect their right to self-government from Moscow in order to make the choice to join the EU.
It’s about the deepest desire of the populations themselves for prosperity and progress.
Reports from inside Russia of MRBMs being fired now.
Kiev inhabitants trying to flee.
explosions BIG ONES
that he can’t see anywhere :)
clown
VIDEO: Mariupol, Ukraine under missile attack
https://rumble.com/vvpo35-mariupol-ukraine-under-missile-attack.html
Reports of Russian troops landing in Odessa.
Thanks, interesting take on the EU angle, and it does make sense. However, one advantage that Putin does have if he tries to create an Eastern EU is that the countries there will not have to worry about being forced to have Drag Queens run their schools.
They are not without a culture war. It’s been fascinating surfing Russian social media in various cities and trying to get a sense from various arguments and discussions in the comments.
To my eyes, the biggest divide is between older and younger Russians. Younger Russians have access (at least they have had so far) to all the same internet sites (tiktok, instagram, telegram) that young Europeans have, and a lot of the attitude of social decadence and degradation and psychological conditions we see in young Europeans (and of course here) you see in these young Russians.
The difference is that older Russians have a strong control over the society. Young Russians with Euro-decadence refer to these older Russians as having “soviet” views (i.e., like American conservative family values they call “soviet” views). And they don’t have this huge hippie segment of the society we had from the 60s that transmogrified into SJWs.
Anyway, I could go on and on.
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