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The Olympics open some paradoxes of dual citizenship between China and the USA
American Thinker ^ | 02/10/2022 | Lynne Lechter

Posted on 02/10/2022 12:21:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Who would have thought that, just mere days later, a beautiful gold medal–winning 18-year-old elite Olympian would exhibit the exact disdain and arrogance highlighted in the article?

Eileen Gu was born in California to a Chinese mother and an American father. While domiciled, educated, and trained in the United States, Gu visited China annually to visit her mother's family who resided there.

In 2019, Gu suddenly decided to represent China instead of the United States. When pressed, Gu loftily explained that it was not fame and riches that inspired her switched allegiance, but that she wanted to use sports as a conduit for unity. She argues that she has a unique opportunity to "help inspire millions of young people where my mum was born ... to help promote the sport I love."

After Gu won a gold medal in the Women's Freestyle Skiing Freeski Big Air competition, her life was placed under a microscope. In addition to being an extraordinarily gifted athlete, Gu models, is a superstar in China with her picture plastered all over the country, speaks fluent Mandarin, and has endorsement deals with Tiffany's and Louis Vuitton, among others. Brainy as well, with an almost perfect SAT score, she has been accepted to study at Stanford University.

Many Americans have spurned Gu, thinking her hypocritical, ungrateful for the U.S. training that helped her become a superstar and a high-paid stooge for the communists. Gu's comments in response to the criticism have not helped her cause.

Beside her hackneyed response of just "living my best life," she sounded absolutely nasty.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; citizenship; eileengu; olympics
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To: riverdawg
I've researced the issue pretty closely. My Dad was born in Ireland so,under Iris law,he was an Irish citizen from birth. I was born in the US (both my parents were US citizens when I was born) yet under Irish law I was an Irish citizen from birth...because my Dad was an Irish citizen.

I could renounce my Irish citizenship but have chosen not to because it causes me no harm. When applying for a job with the US Census Bureau one of the questions I was asked was if I was a citizen of another country and I answered "yes". I was hired. That means that it's not illegal for a US citizen to have a second citizenship.

21 posted on 02/10/2022 1:16:06 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: PGR88
' Do you think loyalty to the USA beyond whatever immediate advantage it offers, was ever a question? '

That's the nature of all companies now. People go to where they get the best benefits and stuff. Companies do they same, no loyalty. But, there is no evidence she gave up the golden US ticket.

If she did, that would mean she applied to Stanford as a foreign student, has a student visa, a work visa to be able to make money in the US. There is no evidence for any of that.

22 posted on 02/10/2022 1:24:55 PM PST by Theoria
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To: riverdawg
We don’t legally recognize dual citizenship, either. A former co-worker of mine learned that the hard way.

Yes we do. Dual Nationality

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct.

Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.

U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law.

23 posted on 02/10/2022 1:29:54 PM PST by kabar
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To: Wuli
Gu repeatedly evaded direct questions regarding her citizenship.

From linked Fox article: "Chinese state media has claimed that Gu became a Chinese national at the age of 15, according to Reuters. The government does not allow dual citizenship, meaning the California native would have had to give up her U.S. citizenship in order to do so." "The Article 3 of China Nationality Law holds that the country will not admit the dual nationality of a Chinese citizen. Moreover, the Article 9 of that law declares that as soon as a Chinese takes a foreign citizenship, he will automatically lose his Chinese citizenship." China olympic team members have to be PRC citizens.

24 posted on 02/10/2022 1:34:23 PM PST by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and fools who can not govern. " Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to her Wiki page she has represented the US in 2 (two) events and China in 11 (eleven) events. So representing China is noting new for her.

The question of her citizenship or not remains a mystery, but in time, it will out.

here’s a commentary (I have not watched yet) on these gals:

The “Traitor” Olympians that Switched Sides for China, 12:09, Feb 8, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0z00Clv08


25 posted on 02/10/2022 1:38:23 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Theoria
But, there is no evidence she gave up the golden US ticket.

I agree. I certainly doubt she did. Its still a valuable thing, and besides, who would make her? Its all part of the self-interest calculation algorithm.

And that's my point. The fact she can keep her US passport, earn big bucks as a representative of another nation, claim to identify as whatever suits her at the moment, justify it with nonsense cliches about "young girls in sports" is perfectly indicative of the attitudes of woke, elitist, globalist "Americans" these days.

26 posted on 02/10/2022 1:38:53 PM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind
Essentially, an American citizen must explicitly revoke citizenship, as Zhu Yi did, or else the citizenship remains in effect.

Yes, one of my kids was adopted from overseas before citizenship was automatic for adoptees, so we had to go through the INS process. What a dysfunctional agency that was.

Anyhow, he was too young to take the oath, so I took the citizenship oath for him. I/he had to swear a willingess to renounce all foreign citizenships, but we were not required to do so. I suppose he could go back to his birth country and get a passport if he wanted, but he has no desire.

27 posted on 02/10/2022 1:49:11 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: riverdawg
We don’t legally recognize dual citizenship, either. A former co-worker of mine learned that the hard way.

Please explain.

28 posted on 02/10/2022 2:16:46 PM PST by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Countries are in charge of who is “eligible” to “represent” them in international sports. And there’s nothing that says they have to follow their own laws. So she’s “representing” China because they want her to, and she want to be at the Olympics.


29 posted on 02/10/2022 2:19:51 PM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Dutch Boy
There is a renouncing of the applicant’s former country before the oath of US citizenship takes place.

Yes there is but many countries don't care and still recognize them as their citizens.

30 posted on 02/10/2022 2:35:33 PM PST by usurper
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To: SeekAndFind

She is a Citizen of the World, and - as such - is quite above such petty contrivances as borders. :)


31 posted on 02/10/2022 2:47:24 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: kabar

Please re-read the first words of the link you posted:

“U.S. law does not mention dual nationality ... “

Also:

“U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”

This is what caused my former co-worker trouble in Italy. He had a minor dust-up with Italian law enforcement while visiting there on his Italian passport. He sought assistance from the U.S. counsel there, they noted he had entered on a non-U.S. passport, and said “Sorry, we can’t help you.”


32 posted on 02/11/2022 7:15:34 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

” ... it’s not illegal for a US citizen to have a second citizenship.”

True. U.S. law neither recognizes not prohibits dual citizenship. A dual citizen does have to be careful about which passport he or she uses when travelling overseas, however.


33 posted on 02/11/2022 7:20:04 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: libertylover

Please see post #32.


34 posted on 02/11/2022 7:21:43 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: riverdawg

As a retired foreign service officer, I can understand your friend’s problem. I don’t agree with the alleged dismissive response that the consulate couldn’t help him. Based on my experience, the consulate would try to help a dual national Amcit regardless.

Your friend should have used his American passport to enter Italy. Why didn’t he? Was he planning on a stay longer than 90 days? Italy is part of the Visa Wavier program.


35 posted on 02/11/2022 7:41:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“As a retired foreign service officer, I can understand your friend’s problem. I don’t agree with the alleged dismissive response that the consulate couldn’t help him. Based on my experience, the consulate would try to help a dual national Amcit regardless.

Your friend should have used his American passport to enter Italy. Why didn’t he? Was he planning on a stay longer than 90 days? Italy is part of the Visa Wavier program.”

Thank you for your thoughtful and knowledgeable reply. I agree the consulate should have been more helpful. I was surprised when he told me of his treatment by them. My former coworker said he used his Italian passport (mistakenly, as you said and the State Department warns) because he wanted unfettered travel throughout the EU once he got to Italy.


36 posted on 02/11/2022 7:48:36 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: riverdawg

He could have traveled freely on his US passport, since most of the EU are in the Visa Wavier program. I realize that it would be easier on an Italian passport, especially bypassing customs checks.

I believe he could have entered Italy on a US passport and then used his Italian passport to travel within the EU. He would have to use his US passport to re-enter the US.


37 posted on 02/11/2022 8:14:18 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“He could have traveled freely on his US passport, since most of the EU are in the Visa Wavier program. I realize that it would be easier on an Italian passport, especially bypassing customs checks.”

I think he wanted to bypass the intra-EU border checks, not that he had anything to hide but simply for ease of entry and exit.

“I believe he could have entered Italy on a US passport and then used his Italian passport to travel within the EU. He would have to use his US passport to re-enter the US.”

I thought the same thing. Is there any problem if it is discovered that you are carrying two passports?


38 posted on 02/11/2022 9:11:22 AM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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To: riverdawg
Is there any problem if it is discovered that you are carrying two passports?

Generally, no, not if they are valid. Some European countries don't allow dual nationality, so it would depend on the country and the person carrying them.

39 posted on 02/11/2022 10:40:34 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“Generally, no, not if they are valid. Some European countries don’t allow dual nationality, so it would depend on the country and the person carrying them.”

Interesting; thanks.


40 posted on 02/11/2022 1:41:47 PM PST by riverdawg (Wells Fargo is my bank and I have no complaints.)
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