Posted on 01/31/2022 8:57:29 AM PST by sam_whiskey
Meet Donald Trump, the constitutional scholar.
The twice-impeached former president is claiming that the bipartisan effort to reform the Electoral Count Act of 1887 proves that ex-Vice President Mike Pence had the legal right to overturn the results of the 2020 election that Trump lost.
“If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate ... how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election?” Trump asked.
Without providing any facts or legal precedent, Trump suggested the effort to clarify the 135-year-old statute means Pence would have been within his rights to reject the results of the electoral votes cast by the states on Jan. 6, 2021.
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If you are going to play the "rubber stamp" card, i'm gonna play the "President of the Senate" is required card.
He could refuse to participate at the very least. I say he could have done more. He could have thrown a massive sh*tstorm into the mix and called everyone involved in the corrupt process, a no good SOB.
He had a *DUTY* to put a taint on Biden's legitimacy. He had a *DUTY* to force the lying national media to talk about the corrupt election and how the nation thinks it's fraudulent.
Some legislatures did try to act, but they weakly went to the courts who refused to hear the cases. In my opinion, the state legislatures should have just cited US Law and unilaterally acted, making the Democrats have to go to court and object. Republicans didn't do that; they went to court first and objected after (mostly) Democrats unilaterally acted to change the election laws via executive fiat.
The lesson for 2024 is clear: don't rely on the courts. Republican legislatures should interpret their powers directly and unilaterally act. If Democrats don't like it, they can go to the courts and fight to interpret the US Code, making the debate public and national.
When Republicans go to court to ask for permission, the courts reject the cases and the media covers up the issues. When Democrats go to court, the courts hear their cases and act swiftly. Republicans need to unilaterally act and then put the Democrats on the defensive when they run to the courts to block.
-PJ
Hope he trips and spills his guts like Judas.
Prior to this Ted Cruz proposed a 10 day review period for the states in question. Where was Pence then?
I watched live when Congress returned on the 6th. I watched the incredulous looks on republican senators waiting to object being gaveled into silence and taking their seats. This was the first punishment metted out to the "insurrectionists".
I don't know why Pence turned his back on the Constitution, the law and 75 million of his voters; but he did.
I don't know why Pence thought he would benefit from leaving this open wound to fester; but he did.
History will show how poorly he chose.
You spoke of me having a contempt for the Constitution which I do not, but I can very much assure you that I have absolute contempt for the corrupt, idiotic, disgusting court system which cannot seem to find it's own @$$ most of the time.
We see now that 2 million votes in Pennsylvania are illegal, and it only took the court a year and a half to figure out what was obvious to any sensible person in November of 2020.
We are finding frauds and illegalities in all the Democrat controlled counties in all the swing states, and we are also finding massive fraud in the McCaniac/Flake Republican controlled counties of Arizona.
My side was correct, and your side is still trying to interfere with fixing a corrupted process.
I use to sympathize. Not any more.
Why are you yelling at me? I'm of the opinion Pence had the Constitutional and legal responsibility to let the states review and re-certify their electors, as requested.
Pence ignored both.
Where is this written?
“sensible” people the political class are not. Relying on them to stop the deposing of a successful President was chimerical. The turning point came in Dec. when the Supremes refused to look at the evidence.
I am not yelling at you, that is the Italian in me waving my arms when posting!!
Actually the overwhelming majority of the American People/Voters know that Joe Biden is not the duly, fairly and legally elected POTUS of the 2020 POTUS election. If there is any American that thinks or believes that Democrat, Joe Biden,....the living, walking. low life, moron, buffoon & criminal got 81 million votes, they have to be other smoking reefer, drinking too much booze, or they are just simply insane!!!
Biden is headed for New York City this week to talk abou9 “Cop Murders”. If the good folks of NYC have any brains they will boycott his visit and tell him to kindly leave town and never return, cop killer that he is, IMHO!!!
The "media" , which is really the voice of the corrupt "Elite/Deep State" coalition, has too much power. They pronounced the election valid, and the vast majority of the public simply swallows the media vomit and accepts it.
I've said for years the real solution lies with seizing mass communications from the Elite/Deep State and turning it's power back against them.
Till we can stop the propaganda, we will continue getting cheated.
It’s not known if Pence could have delayed a President being officially named, because it was simply a theory, that was was never tested. Many legal scholars however do think it may have been possible, as described in this lengthy legal and historical analysis.
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/donald-trumps-stealthy-road-victory-172235
Lawmakers are now trying to prevent the theory from ever being tested, by closing the loophole, so the world will never know. I think Pence should have at least tried while he had the chance, but Trump did pick him as VP, and I’m not sure how many other Republicans besides Pence would have acted any different, all things considered, to be honest.
If you read the state constitutions I'm sure you will find that acts of the legislature requires a majority vote. if a legislature is requesting the government to do, or not do something it should take a majority vote.
Which assumes the legislature has the power to request the vote be delayed to begin with. Every state has placed responsibility to running, elections, validating the votes, and submitting the count to the Electoral College to some state agency like the Secretary of State or Election Boards or what have you. Approval of their decision by the legislature is not required. Requesting the votes be held up should fall outside their ability as well. Unless they change the law. And that would certainly require a vote of the entire legislature.
And that's why we're having these tiresome discussions because most people agree that Pence did not have the power to delay the count or reject the ballots.
Prior to this Ted Cruz proposed a 10 day review period for the states in question.
What happened to Cruze's proposal? Didn't get anywhere I believe.
I don't know why Pence turned his back on the Constitution, the law and 75 million of his voters; but he did.
Others believe Pence exercised all the powers available to him under the Constitution.
History will show how poorly he chose.
I suppose we'll see.
You will, as always, play whatever card makes the least sense.
Your continued contempt for the Constitution is well known, as this thread shows. But if you have one side saying the recounts and audits showed the election to be fair and above board, and the other side saying it's a crooked as the day is long then why should anyone take one side or the others without a chance for both side's evidence being heard in court and ruled on?
We are finding frauds and illegalities in all the Democrat controlled counties in all the swing states, and we are also finding massive fraud in the McCaniac/Flake Republican controlled counties of Arizona.
And yet with all that there have been no charges filed, no people arrested, no trials held, no convictions, no nothing. If the evidence is that massive then why not?
The Pennsylvania State Supreme Court just declared unconstitutional a 2019 no-excuse mail-in ballot law, saying that it required a Constitutional amendment, and not a law, to make this change.
Marc Elias was running around the country in 2019 working to put these kinds of laws in place in advance of the 2020 election. These laws are slowly starting to be unwound. Unfortunately, many people failed to take seriously the mischief they would cause, like unsecured drop-boxes and discarding signature verification.
The wheels are moving slowly. Slowly moving wheels favor the Democrats.
These aren't indictments, but they are a start.
-PJ
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